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bvar22

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104. Oh, I follow your pedestrian thinking easily.

Thu Jun 11, 2015, 02:24 PM

Jun 2015

You don't believe we should have pulled out in 2008?
Do you want to stay there forever?
What do YOU believe would be a good Exit Plan?

What do we have to do before we can call it a "WIN"?

If you believe the troops should not have come home in 2008,
when DO you think they should come home . Its clear you haven't a husband of son fighting over there.

So, how many years should we stay in Iraq?
Until they stop fighting each other?
They have been doing that for a thousand years, and have the patience to wait How ever long it takes for us to leave before doing exactly what they are doing now.
WE created the Failed State.... not the Iraqis.

The longer we stay, the more radicalized the Middle East has become...and will become.
Dropping Bombs and Drone Killing civilians is NOT the way to Peace.

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Why is obama continuing Bush's Iraq war debacle? I voted for him to end that war. He lied. [View all] grahamhgreen Jun 2015 OP

I don't get it either. CaliforniaPeggy Jun 2015 #1

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He found his "comfortable walking shoes..er...boots". Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #3

Obama is hopelessly conventional. He can't think outside of the box. Vattel Jun 2015 #4

I'd settle for him thinking inside the box nichomachus Jun 2015 #7

You know, that is the most apt description of Obama that I have ever read. Nay Jun 2015 #38

I gave up on Obama being any different cwydro Jun 2015 #5

I never really chose him as the candidate to support rock Jun 2015 #47

I did not know he was a ballet dancer. cui bono Jun 2015 #60

LOL. rock Jun 2015 #75

People here said upon entry into Iraq that it would destabilize the region for decades. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #6

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I don't think he is misunderstood. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #10

Read Bertram Gross, Friendly Fascism davekriss Jun 2015 #76

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Yea, what ever. mindem Jun 2015 #84

You, my friend, are obviously too young tiredtoo Jun 2015 #91

Money. It trumps peace. Octafish Jun 2015 #8

^^^THAT^^^ onecaliberal Jun 2015 #58

''Money trumps peace.'' -- pretzeldent George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Jun 2015 #92

Oy! Sucks to be us. We're about to elect another corporatist. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #93

he found being president is is complicated Backwoodsrider Jun 2015 #11

Reports about Clinton point to a far more aggressive military policy. jeff47 Jun 2015 #14

It's not really about Obama, or even Bush for that matter Cal Carpenter Jun 2015 #12

He was handed an unwinnable situation by the morons who started it. jeff47 Jun 2015 #13

From what I've read, ISIS is a coalition of the Baathists and Islamic radicals. They are not grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #15

The hope was a new Sunni group would dry up their support jeff47 Jun 2015 #16

I've read that ISIS is a combination of Extemists and Baathists. What I see, if we leave, is that grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #25

So if you understand all of this, why are you blaming and condemning Obama? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2015 #32

Because Obama promised to end the war in Iraq Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #43

Iraq is a quagmire of flypaper. kairos12 Jun 2015 #31

Read Micheal Glennon's "NAtional Security and Double Government" hifiguy Jun 2015 #17

I think he got a little talking to right before he was sworn in. rurallib Jun 2015 #21

Democratic presidents always get "The Talk" after they win an election hifiguy Jun 2015 #24

Or even before he was elected. zeemike Jun 2015 #46

I remember the very night he was sworn in he did a drone strike...always grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #95

There's no way we were going to watch all of Iraq fall to ISIS without at least trying to TwilightGardener Jun 2015 #18

Yep. I agree. Nt stevenleser Jun 2015 #19

got to think if they had no oil we'd be out of there in a heartbeat. rurallib Jun 2015 #22

I honestly don't think that's it (this time). We actually have plenty of oil now, anyway. TwilightGardener Jun 2015 #23

Who is we...that is the question. zeemike Jun 2015 #48

It's not even 'we' now. It's 'they', the transnational corporations. cui bono Jun 2015 #61

Or an it. zeemike Jun 2015 #70

It's not really falling to ISIS, this group is the old Iraq military mixed with Sunni extremists, so grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #27

the country is made up of more than Saddam's military and Sunni extremists JI7 Jun 2015 #30

The US does not need to fight this war LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #42

He isn't continuing it. Obama has started a new Iraw war debacle. morningfog Jun 2015 #20

It's the same in that we are still fighting the Baathists, who have been rebranded by the media as grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #26

You are completely wrong. Bush signed the piece of giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #29

I am not wrong. All troops were removed as of Nov. 2011. morningfog Jun 2015 #37

Yes & that is because of the piece of shit SOFA that giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #62

We should never have gone in the first place. bvar22 Jun 2015 #102

As I said in my first reply, we never should have gone. giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #103

Oh, I follow your pedestrian thinking easily. bvar22 Jun 2015 #104

Obama tried to keep US forces in Iraq after the SOFA. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #40

I'm curious MFrohike Jun 2015 #65

It would've never happened, not with their current court system. giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #87

Right MFrohike Jun 2015 #112

which was used to give Bush credit for ending the war treestar Jun 2015 #89

We always knew we would be back in there... giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #90

Does that mean you don't think ISIS should be stopped? BainsBane Jun 2015 #66

Obama's had us back in Iraq, with operations in Syria for a year, yet here we are escalating. morningfog Jun 2015 #80

True BainsBane Jun 2015 #81

Knock yourself out and don't forget to pay for it. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #85

He's taking a lot of flack for "not having a strategy" Scootaloo Jun 2015 #79

He should have finished it by the end of his first term. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #28

+ a brazilian. nt hifiguy Jun 2015 #33

word.. G_j Jun 2015 #34

He finished it soon upon taking office BainsBane Jun 2015 #67

Baloney. Leaving thousands of troops behind is not "ending it." AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #69

Let's hear your facts BainsBane Jun 2015 #72

Here are some facts for you BainsBane Jun 2015 #73

It was necessary for candidate Obama to distance himself from the hawkist Clinton. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #35

This isn't his first lie. Phlem Jun 2015 #36

"He lied." BeanMusical Jun 2015 #39

Are you talkin' about.... Plucketeer Jun 2015 #41

I don't think Obama, or any President for that matter has a choice. jalan48 Jun 2015 #44

He's the commander in chief, he can order the troops to come home. grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #45

Same reason we have Heritage Care, fracking, offshore drilling, charter schools, attacks on teachers Doctor_J Jun 2015 #49

Because he is free from having to run again and can let his let shine. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #50

The MIC has no morals and EVERY war is a win for them . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #51

He CAN'T end the war. No one can. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2015 #52

how large is the whole world's military industrial complex ? olddots Jun 2015 #53

Yes...he's omnipotent, and he should do what a true god would do! Hulk Jun 2015 #54

Great reasons for peoples sons and daughters to die. grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #59

When I see posts like this one it makes glad again underthematrix Jun 2015 #78

Jingoistic nonsense. Maedhros Jun 2015 #86

Because he is owned by the military industrial complex Joe Turner Jun 2015 #55

Hope And Change - A Marvelous Thing - Sometimes cantbeserious Jun 2015 #56

Yes, he swindled us all. N/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #57

Its OPs like this that make the left appear rather stupid on narional security issues. JoePhilly Jun 2015 #63

Not the left BainsBane Jun 2015 #68

That's fair ... JoePhilly Jun 2015 #105

That isn't the worst of it BainsBane Jun 2015 #106

And they think as a candidate, he said he'd pull troops out of Afganistan, when ... JoePhilly Jun 2015 #109

"But here on DU ... any use of the military is equal to a full scale invasion." BainsBane Jun 2015 #111

I don't think this is the left, the OP's title is chunk full of sophistry uponit7771 Jun 2015 #107

He did end it. Essentially decided Iraq was done BainsBane Jun 2015 #64

Psst! Don't tell anyone! It'll stifle the outrage, DU's primary fuel source. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #74

Facts suck!!! /sarcasm <--- cause this is needed around here uponit7771 Jun 2015 #108

Clearly, you don't understand 12th dimensional chess. Fla_Democrat Jun 2015 #71

And the number of "trainers" is misleading. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #77

In Vietnam, after we were withdrew, the country stabilized and now is grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #97

True, And all the stories about "dominoes" guillaumeb Jun 2015 #98

I can only imagine a similar fate awaits Iraq one we withdraw. grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #99

Partisanship. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #83

I thought we were responsible for the mess there? treestar Jun 2015 #88

I can't believe the amount of self-loathing I see in this thread. randome Jun 2015 #94

I loathe wars for profit. If the goal is to "degrade and destroy ISIL", as the president has said; grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #96

I, for one, don't give a shit about 'winning'. randome Jun 2015 #100

Should we be at war with Saudi Arabia to prevent grahamhgreen Jun 2015 #110

The cart was run into the ditch by Bush, and Bush was unable to secure the agreement needed Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #101