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madmom

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15. This was just recently posted by a friend on facebook....
Sun May 13, 2012, 11:43 AM
May 2012

...WOW! Just WOW! Here's someone else who actually studied some bible scripture. Hats off to Michelle Blackledge: "Of the 22 times in the Bible where Paul is referred to as an "apostle", only twice is he referred to as an apostle by someone other than himself! These two instances came from the same person. Not from Yahshua, or any of the original apostles, but from Paul's close traveling companion and personal press secretary Luke. Both accounts are found in Luke's record of the Acts of the Apostles, (chapter 14:4,14). Here Paul is referred to as an apostle along with Barnabas. By this time in the story, Luke would have been very accustomed to Paul calling himself an apostle, and he would no doubt have been in agreement with Paul's assessment of himself. By these statistics alone, it is evident that Paul is by far his own biggest fan... and his side kick Luke was his number two fan. This leaves no one else anywhere in the Bible going on record recognizing his apostleship!"

But we have the account of Jesus' appearance and conversion of Paul...oh wait, that was Paul's own account. Hmmm, me thinks this would not stand up in a Jewish court of law since accepted testimony requires TWO witnesses at a minimum and extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs. Seeing as that was Jewish law and Jesus never broke with Jewish law, wouldn't the savior have ensured two independent witnesses were available to testify in order to legitimize Paul's claim. The cop out answer from apologists is that we have to take it on faith (Sorry but that explaination employs faulty circular logic and it serves no purpose besides making the speaker/writer feel self important.) Seeing as no such testimony of any of the witnesses present at his conversion ever made it into the bible, it sort of negates his own, self-serving testimony. Self serving confessions or revelations weren't allowed you see. And since his doctrine departed radically from what Jesus was reported to have preached and taught to his other disciples, do we really know if Paul's testimony wasn't all just a big old power grab by Saul (Paul's old preconversion nom de plume). There is even some evidence that old Saul was working as a collaborator with the Romans. Of course that kind of talk just totally destroys some people's world so they will totally close there eyes and ears at this point if they haven't already done so, then turn off their frontal lobe and begin muttering "lalalalala...I can't hear you!"....


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Nice. Nt xchrom May 2012 #1
She's a smart lady... I wouldn't go up against her on my best day. glowing May 2012 #2
Don't know if Joe Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #3
That is an excellent opinion piece. Thanks for posting it. Tennessee Gal May 2012 #4
Funny things happy when your illiterate followers learn how to read. harmonicon May 2012 #5
The Bible was oncer used to justify slavery Gman May 2012 #6
MHP rocks that subject and has for a long time.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #7
Biblical arceologists and scholars know that the bible is created from a patchwork geckosfeet May 2012 #8
But that is the problem SoutherDem May 2012 #16
The names of Paul, Matthew, John, et al, were appropriated by those who felt geckosfeet May 2012 #18
I agree SoutherDem May 2012 #20
Well,,, I can't really recall,,, geckosfeet May 2012 #22
You'll have to excuse me but who is MHP nonoxy9 May 2012 #9
Thanks for the info! Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #11
Professor Melissa Harris Perry on MSNBC. Ilsa May 2012 #12
Thanks Ilsa. Know the name, didn't get the initials. nonoxy9 May 2012 #21
Christianity and the New Testament are here because of Paul eallen May 2012 #10
Thanks for the info. Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #14
This was just recently posted by a friend on facebook.... madmom May 2012 #15
I never thought he was an Apostle. Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #17
He (Paul) was a biblical author. Perhaps only a scribe. Someone who knew how to read and write. geckosfeet May 2012 #19
R#15 & K for, thanks for this thread. n/t UTUSN May 2012 #13
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