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Xithras

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9. Transnistria is a clusterfuck, and is very different from the Georgia and Ukraine situations.
Thu Jun 11, 2015, 07:32 PM
Jun 2015

Historically, Bessarabia had closer connections to Romania (the Bessarrabians are essentially a Romanian people) and wasn't really an area within the Russian sphere of influence. The Dneister River was the eastern border of Bessarabia, which was part of Romania prior to WW2.

The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact with the Nazi's stated that the Soviet's would get Bessarabia, which became the Moldovan SSR within the Soviet Union. Even though Bessarabia had never extended across the Dneister, the Transneister area eventually got folded into the Moldovan SSR within the Soviet Union. In the late 1980's, as Romanian and Moldovan nationalists came to power and began stripping ethnic Russians of recognition and rights, this became a real problem in Transneistria which had never been Romanian and had been ethnically Russian and Ukrainian for centuries.

In 1990, while the entire region was still part of the Soviet Union, Transnistria declared its independence from the Moldovan Soviet Socialist Republic and became the Transnistrian SSR. Facing the very real possibility that this could lead to a civil war within the Soviet Union, Gorbechev issued an order invalidating the Transnistrian SSR and declaring that it was part of the Moldovan SSR. The secessionists never disarmed, however, and the Moldovan SSR never controlled the territory again.

In 1992, Moldova declared its independence from the Soviet Union. In that declaration, they declared that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was illegal and that the Moldovan SSR was illegal and illegitimate. It disavowed any connections with the USSR and charted an independent course for the country (there are still large unionist movements in both Romania and Moldova pushing to rejoin the countries today). Transnistria, which had been de facto independent for a couple of years at that point, seized on that statement . They pointed out that Transnistria was only joined to Moldova due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, and that by disavowing the results and borders of that pact, they were also disavowing their claim to Transnistria. Because Transnistria had not historically been part of Bessarabia and had been essentially independent since 1990 anyway, they just declared their independence outright.

Predictably, this led to war. Eventually, both sides signed a ceasefire agreement that asked Russia to establish a peacekeeping force in the area to keep fighting from breaking out again. The original agreement said that the Russian forces would stay in place until both sides agreed that it was OK to remove them. To date, the ethnic Russians in Transnistria have not given that consent.

Russia and Moldova signed a treaty in 1994 stating that the region would be ceded to Moldova and that the Russian troops would be withdrawn, but that treaty was never ratified and never entered into force. The Istanbul Accords also would have committed Russia to pulling out its troops, but those were also never ratified. Russia's ratification of the CFE treaty obligated them to remove their heavy weapons from that region, which they did comply with.

It's Russia's position today that, barring any ratified treaties saying otherwise, that the original ceasefire terms Moldova agreed to in 1992 still apply. Under that treaty, they say that they are not obligated to leave until the Transnistrian rebel government asks them to do so.

And unlike the situations in Georgia and Ukraine, the current nation of Moldova has never actually controlled Transnistria. It's been essentially independent since both territories were still part of the Soviet Union.

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Shall we go to war over Transnistria? [View all] Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 OP
Why on Earth does Russia have troops there in the first place? KamaAina Jun 2015 #1
Russia refers to them as "peacekeepers". Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #2
Uh-huh. And if you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to show you. KamaAina Jun 2015 #3
Piece keepers. nt Xipe Totec Jun 2015 #4
It's complicated. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #10
It's complicated. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #11
Holy crap. I thought I knew geography...I thought this was a 1984 thread. JanMichael Jun 2015 #5
Moldove is not Russia-centric. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #6
Moldova, no. But Transnistria ... Yah. Igel Jun 2015 #7
What's the difference between ethnicity and culture? Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #19
One can be a member of an ethnicity and not brought up in its respective culture. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #21
For example - I'm ethnically German, but my culture is distinctly American. NutmegYankee Jun 2015 #28
So ethnicity is the culture of your ancestors? Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #29
Most Americans identify based on their ancestry. NutmegYankee Jun 2015 #30
USA going there would be like Russia sending troops to defend Honduras from US backed coup Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #8
If we adopt that attitude, we might run out of enemies. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #18
Transnistria is a clusterfuck, and is very different from the Georgia and Ukraine situations. Xithras Jun 2015 #9
PLACES THAT DON'T EXIST: TRANSDNIESTRIA KG Jun 2015 #12
Obviously the place exists, Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #13
Fascinating video. hunter Jun 2015 #31
We have always been at war with Transnistria Recursion Jun 2015 #14
Huh? Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #17
Doing nothing would be the best option for now jakeXT Jun 2015 #15
I agree. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #16
Ukraine is Russia's back yard? snooper2 Jun 2015 #20
You seem to be confused. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #22
"Back yard" is just a metaphor. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #27
Ukraine is an independent country, not a "backyard" davidn3600 Jun 2015 #24
the same way the New World is our back yard. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #26
So in your reach to defend Russia, you are defending the Monroe Doctrine? You don't see the problem stevenleser Jun 2015 #32
I'm not defending Russia. Lionel Mandrake Jun 2015 #33
Hells no. Unless they join NATO, which won't happen. LeftinOH Jun 2015 #23
The headline is misleading. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #25
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