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MFrohike

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113. Wonk wonk wonk

Fri Jun 12, 2015, 02:35 AM

Jun 2015

Were those jobs created as a result of NAFTA? If so, show me the evidence. Show me how many were created as a result of it.

You harp on 1973 all day because you didn't read the damn link. The authors, to whose chart you're clinging, make special note of the fact that productivity took a big old jump in 1995. If you're going to keep harping on that chart, you should do it honestly. Read the article.

By the way, are you ever going to account for the loose money policy of the Fed and those two pesky bubbles? Can you actually separate them from the effects of NAFTA in order to show what a resounding success it was?

As for your last sentence, I have no idea what you mean. Rather than speak in conspiratorial tones, be direct. Explain exactly whose patsy I am for questioning the all-powerful NAFTA and its completely unproven, yet beneficial, effect on the American economy. Please, do something besides pointlessly quibble over the evidence I provide.

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I think this TPP deal might be the beginning of the end of Hillary's Presidential aspirations [View all] bigdarryl Jun 2015 OP

Ok then. nt DURHAM D Jun 2015 #1

If she is not against it then she is for it. If she was against it she would have come out swinging snagglepuss Jun 2015 #2

She has no answers because she's for it bigdarryl Jun 2015 #3

Obama is trying to push the monster through Congress before Hillary comes out with her JDPriestly Jun 2015 #27

She has the option to rally her substantial base to oppose at the very least fast track. snagglepuss Jun 2015 #54

She favors the TPP. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #100

In a world were you can't be sure your candidate can win you grasp for straws. upaloopa Jun 2015 #12

Interesting that you don't defend her stand, you don't defend the TPP, why is that? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #18

So, where do you think Hillary stands on the TPP? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #30

Yep. What a pickle to be in. Can't pick a side because HRC hasn't told her swooners which side to GoneFishin Jun 2015 #97

Since the alternative is a corporacratic nightmare demwing Jun 2015 #75

Oh no you don't. I've waited to for her VIEW on this as it cuts Medicare. I tolerated Keystone... TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #83

"You're either with us, or you are with the terrorists" George W. Bush MohRokTah Jun 2015 #29

Do you support the TPP? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #98

The more I hear from folks like you and others on DU... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #116

That makes no sense. Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #122

I vote for Democrats who are real Democrats. truedelphi Jun 2015 #4

You are in good company because nobody is going to vote for your mythical Dem. upaloopa Jun 2015 #13

What? No one has ever voted in a Jackie Spier? Or a John Garamendi? n/t truedelphi Jun 2015 #19

You may not have noticed ... GeorgeGist Jun 2015 #5

Well neither do we, but we have an opinion. MoonchildCA Jun 2015 #8

Here is good information. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #33

I think everyone knows that. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #10

She has voice. It was glaringly silent. 99Forever Jun 2015 #15

What difference does that make? She supports the TPP and other killer rhett o rick Jun 2015 #20

She could do what leaders are supposed to do which is to rally her base to demand snagglepuss Jun 2015 #56

But she's asking for one demwing Jun 2015 #82

Beginning of the End for Hillary # 45.. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #6

HRC's Waterloo, I tell ya! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #7

Bernie okasha Jun 2015 #67

Keep dreaming. Better get used to saying Madame President! leftofcool Jun 2015 #9

I will keep dreaming, dreaming of a government not controlled by the billionaires. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #21

As long as it is not "President Fiorina" that you are talking about. eom. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #31

One can only hope. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #11

Thank you for playing! OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #14

Beginning of the end of President Obama's administration as well? brooklynite Jun 2015 #16

If Tom Hartman said it, well... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #17

That post says all I need to know about you. 99Forever Jun 2015 #22

He fawns all over Robert Kennedy when Kennedy pushes his anti-vaxxer bullshit. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #24

Thom tells it like it is and to you that's woo. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #23

Yeah, anti-vaxxer bullshit and JFK theories. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #26

Kennedy talks about the thimerosal component of the multiple vaccines. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #35

Kennedy is an anti-vax woo merchant. Nothing more MohRokTah Jun 2015 #36

Did you read the link I provided? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #39

I listened to him push anti-vax woo LIVE on the Thom Hartmann show. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #43

I also have listened to Kennedy on WCPT. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #48

Saying the vaccines could be dangerous is not anti-vaxxer. WDIM Jun 2015 #86

Everything he has to say about Thimerisol is wrong and is woo, eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #118

Who cares about the anti-vaxxers? Only You because its a great way to hijack a TPP Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #64

+1 AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #115

I am guessing you don't like anyone that might dare to question authority. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #84

No. I despise merchants of woo like Hartmann and Kennedy. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #117

I see, Truth = woo. Don't speak out against the authority. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #119

I think the 8 days for the "I didn't want to carry 2 phones" Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #25

Was her private server hacked by the Chinese when the rest of the govt was hacked? Hekate Jun 2015 #71

Bwahahah... The rest of the government!!!! Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #93

I can't speak for anyone fredamae Jun 2015 #28

Here's a link to Senator Sanders remarks on HRC's stance GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #32

Here is a reply to Senator Sanders. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #34

Good to hear. GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #40

All Hillary needs to do is tell us where she stands. Vinca Jun 2015 #37

here Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #42

Ooooh, she has 'problems" with a couple of provisions! markpkessinger Jun 2015 #55

Did you see this in her statement? I did not see that. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #59

Not explicitly . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #61

Wait until she says something to the effect before jumping on the wagon Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #65

I have to assume that if was an area of significant concern to her . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #66

This is why we wait. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #78

TPP is a total game changer, if you are alive & breathing & don't understand how screwed people and mother earth Jun 2015 #38

Actually, the vast majority of likely voters simply don't give shit. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #45

YET. They soon will feel its impact & there is no room for complacency on anyone's part. mother earth Jun 2015 #49

If it goes anything like after NAFTA... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #60

NAFTA was a great success? I beg to differ...or perhaps it was successful for the corporations? mother earth Jun 2015 #88

Were you working in the late 1990s and early 2000s? Recursion Jun 2015 #101

Supporting NAFTA Was the Kiss of Death for Democrats --Why Dems Should Think Twice About Voting for mother earth Jun 2015 #120

The reality of NAFTA: same link from huffpo, there's no shortage of articles on NAFTA failures. mother earth Jun 2015 #121

With or without an equity bubble? MFrohike Jun 2015 #92

I'll turn that back at you: point to the damage Recursion Jun 2015 #102

Challenge accepted MFrohike Jun 2015 #103

Nope. Look at the chart Recursion Jun 2015 #105

heh MFrohike Jun 2015 #107

Where are you getting 1995? You should read your link. Plus it said "real income" Recursion Jun 2015 #108

Check the chart again MFrohike Jun 2015 #109

Oh, I see, you don't care that average workers were making more money after NAFTA Recursion Jun 2015 #110

Nice bullshit you got there MFrohike Jun 2015 #111

400K jobs to Mexico in a period during which 23 million jobs were created Recursion Jun 2015 #112

Wonk wonk wonk MFrohike Jun 2015 #113

There, that worked pretty well. We both made arguments Recursion Jun 2015 #114

You can ask the average Democratic voter what TPP is and they will say "What?" leftofcool Jun 2015 #50

So far, that may be true, come the election it may well not be so. Naysayers, I'm repeating, TPP is mother earth Jun 2015 #52

And you think that says something positive about the "average Democratic voter"? tularetom Jun 2015 #53

Politicans are elected to give a damn, a damn about people not snagglepuss Jun 2015 #58

Where is Hillary's leadership when it's needed the most? Martin Eden Jun 2015 #41

Here Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #44

That is not Leadership. Martin Eden Jun 2015 #51

Your opinion, a real leader gathers the information before making decisions, makes Hillary very Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #57

Well the clock is ticking. If she needs more time than she should snagglepuss Jun 2015 #62

Is she in the line of passing TPP? No, in fact this will be decided before she could Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #68

What do you mean non-issue? She is an American isnt she? She and every one snagglepuss Jun 2015 #94

Hillary will not be voting on TPP or signing it after it passes in Congress. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #96

Considering that she's already called it the "Gold Standard of trade agreements", Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #70

She is a leader, she has not seen the final agreement, she will not be forced into going in either Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #73

Oh, for crying out loud Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #74

My thoughts also, for crying out loud, how many times does she need to repeat her decision. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #76

You can be an apologist all you want for this crap Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #80

Good, continue to believe them, in the meantime allow those who wants to wait until the final Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #87

The agreement is already complete Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #91

"Godot is going to arrive before she forcefully comes out against it." snagglepuss Jun 2015 #95

The TPP and other so-called Trade Agreements have been around long rhett o rick Jun 2015 #85

Sounds more like wishful thinking to me LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #46

It certainly isn't going to help her. Aerows Jun 2015 #47

Wishful thinking. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #63

I sure wish she'd say SOMETHING about it! CanonRay Jun 2015 #69

I'm a Sanders supporter, ejbr Jun 2015 #72

Her refusal to talk about it and take a stand hifiguy Jun 2015 #77

Then for the sake of the nation and the party JackInGreen Jun 2015 #79

Series-ly this is the umpteenth DU post giving a reason why Hilary is destined to lose... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #81

No, they don't realize that. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #89

NAFTA and all of these trade deals are despised.... ms liberty Jun 2015 #90

North Carolina had no banking or biotech industry to speak of in 1993 Recursion Jun 2015 #104

I think the American people care about TPP... joshcryer Jun 2015 #99

Alrighty then! Lil Missy Jun 2015 #106