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In reply to the discussion: Dual Citizenship. [View all]

BlueMTexpat

(15,693 posts)
65. I don't entirely disagree.
Fri Jun 12, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jun 2015

Did you read this part of my post?

... A case could even be made for requiring a dual national to waive his/her non-US nationality if that person is running for US President.


That requirement does not seem to be in the US Constitution, however. The Federalist papers, while giving an idea of what at least some Founders thought, are not the US Constitution.

The fact is that in today's very globalized world, some people can acquire (or at least are eligible for) dual nationality by birth. In the case at issue, however, Bernie Sanders is not one of them. So, for Bernie, the issue is moot. Period.

Insofar as the nation's being protected from foreign influence is concerned, however, US nationality is certainly no guarantee that any natural-born American citizen with a single nationality will not betray his or her country or not put foreign interests above the interests of that country.

I would posit that those who deliberately shirk their obligation to pay their fair share of US taxes by moving their funds or their businesses offshore are literally traitors to the US, whatever their nationality. I also posit that any Congress critters who deliberately and overtly try to undermine any US President with other foreign leaders when that President is in the process of negotiating an international resolution (e.g., with Iran) are much more dangerous to the US than any American who happens to be a dual national but does not act in such a despicable manner. Further, those who allow themselves to be swayed by such as Netanyahu, for example, against the interests of the US are surely not all dual nationals.

To clarify, although I myself am an expat (for the past 20+ years), I have never exercised my option (and I am eligible for one by residence, not birth) for a second nationality. I also pay US taxes (both federal and state) as well as the taxes due to the country of my foreign residence. Perhaps someday I will exercise the option for a dual nationality. But that day is not today.

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Dual Citizenship. [View all] nitpicker Jun 2015 OP
Actually, I DON'T see why Rehm thought reports of Sanders being a dual citizen were true. DFW Jun 2015 #1
Damn straight! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #2
Plus 1000 JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #3
So what? She admitted it was wrong so... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #4
Fight the swift boaters head on Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #5
+1 beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #7
Diane is not a swift boater. pangaia Jun 2015 #36
Naw Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #39
I listened to a show of hers several years ago, can't remember now who was being interviewed.. 2banon Jun 2015 #46
That may be your opinion but she was using a known rw rag as proof of her idiotic statement. Take jwirr Jun 2015 #45
+1 DrDan Jun 2015 #13
she said she was wrong to assert it and that she should have put it in cali Jun 2015 #26
She wouldn't be the first media person to fall for phony Internet stories . . . MrModerate Jun 2015 #6
You're right, not by a long shot DFW Jun 2015 #8
She's a regular on the inside-the-beltway cocktail circuit deutsey Jun 2015 #31
There's a third possibility DFW Jun 2015 #51
Yeah, I thought that too about the researchers deutsey Jun 2015 #52
I was sorta both DFW Jun 2015 #53
I'd be willing to bet you're right deutsey Jun 2015 #56
I only heard about it today, too. DFW Jun 2015 #58
I have listened to her for years. pangaia Jun 2015 #37
It wasn't even "reports"! SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #12
I agree. It would be a big deal to me if Sanders WAS a dual citizen.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #24
Why would that be a big deal? oberliner Jun 2015 #40
any presidential candidate with a dual citizenship not a big deal to you? 2banon Jun 2015 #48
Because a Presidential candidate should not have competing loyaties, IMO. Adrahil Jun 2015 #67
She was confused and though FB was FactBook. L0oniX Jun 2015 #44
Well, now that I know that it's obvious Igel Jun 2015 #54
I should probably have known this but... DFW Jun 2015 #55
I/P forum = Iraeli / Palestinian Forum, I believe n/t csziggy Jun 2015 #57
OK, thanks. Makes sense enough DFW Jun 2015 #59
Even if ... BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #9
Exactly. Many good Americans have dual citizenship. DCBob Jun 2015 #10
ever hear of the Dreyfus Affair? cali Jun 2015 #14
I don;t have a problem with dual citizenship unless.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #25
exactly - just the latest ootd DrDan Jun 2015 #34
Writers/Founders of our Constitution thought it was a big deal, and so do I. . 2banon Jun 2015 #49
I don't entirely disagree. BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #65
It's funny, we would not mind asking Ted Cruz treestar Jun 2015 #11
it's not odd at all. accusing Jews of divided loyalties has a long, ugly cali Jun 2015 #15
Well, it's the same sort of thing LeftishBrit Jun 2015 #16
"Answer the question, Jew!" Bonobo Jun 2015 #17
You said in another thread that Bernie had "ties" to another country. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #18
I'd like to hear the answer to that as well, Treestar! nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #19
To what? Treestar didn't say what BMUS falsely claimed she said. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #30
He sure as hell did. Here's the quote: Bonobo Jun 2015 #33
It would be nice to have you oppose sexism as strongly as CreekDog Jun 2015 #64
well that's repugnant. saying that shit makes things clear. cali Jun 2015 #20
Oh that particular thread was VERY enlightening. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #21
Actually if we were talking about that said about a Muslim Senator... Bonobo Jun 2015 #22
No doubt. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #23
Treestar didn't say that. If you followed the link it's quite clear she does NOT say KittyWampus Jun 2015 #29
"It's not a "slur" any more than when asked of anyone else with any ties to any other country. " oberliner Jun 2015 #41
Treestar did not say what you just claimed. I went to your link to see. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #28
he said clearly that it wasn't a slur. it damn well is. cali Jun 2015 #32
Well let's just look at what they said then: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #63
yep DrDan Jun 2015 #35
Unlike Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders, Ted Cruz WAS born outside the US csziggy Jun 2015 #61
this question of dual citizenship borders on xenophobia drray23 Jun 2015 #27
Perception is reality in politics. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #47
If there was a lengthy history of accusations of French "stabbing our country in the back" jeff47 Jun 2015 #62
Exactly. BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #66
He worked on a kibbutz for a while Recursion Jun 2015 #38
No, that's not where that rumor came from oberliner Jun 2015 #42
Of course Cruz was actually born in Calgary Canada and was an actual dual citizen. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #43
But Cruz is a bully, and bullies usually own this kind of "debate"..... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #60
Actually, the U.S. is ambivalent about dual or multiple citizenships in peace time WilmywoodNCparalegal Jun 2015 #50
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