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bvar22

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49. The Korean Trade Agreement

Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:10 PM

Jun 2015

The Korean Trade Agreement,
quietly passed by the OBama Administration just last March, and is patterned on the TPP.
Infact, much of the exact same language is used.

Lets take a look at the REAL World of "Free Trade".

*What we were promised:
This deal will add 60,000 jobs to the American Economy

*What REALLY happened.... a LOSS of 60,000 American jobs.

*Promised: a reduction in the trade imbalance with Korea.
What really happened,
the Trade Imbalance EXPLODED.

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only 12 dems voted for Obama's trAde agenda. That speaks volumes [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

It speaks politics. Enough will vote for the TPA to pass. Others will do the politically expedient Hoyt Jun 2015 #1

That's a good point Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #7

The difference with the EU is that the Europeans actually get to govern it. jeff47 Jun 2015 #15

No they did not. We can keep our meat labeling laws exactly as they are, if we are willing for Hoyt Jun 2015 #21

The difference is without NAFTA, we could retaliate with our own tariffs jeff47 Jun 2015 #25

That wouldn't be smart. The repercussions they face if they don't label their meat, Hoyt Jun 2015 #30

There's no copyright on the American flag. Mexican slaughterhouses can stamp it all over. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #31

That's fraud. Jeeez. Hoyt Jun 2015 #33

Only if they literally say "Made in the USA" jeff47 Jun 2015 #35

And as soon as someone notices it, the store will bar the product. Hoyt Jun 2015 #36

It's cute when you think multinational retailers give a shit about country of origin. jeff47 Jun 2015 #37

A local grocery store will darn sure quit stocking products people don't buy. If people don't care Hoyt Jun 2015 #42

Eh, you fix that with exclusivity contracts. jeff47 Jun 2015 #44

Consumers who care, will look at the label. If it doesn't say Made In USA, they'll assume it was'nt Hoyt Jun 2015 #46

The Trade Deal you are working your ass off to promote... bvar22 Jun 2015 #56

Taking away Country of Origin on meat and poultry ticks me off to no end peacebird Jun 2015 #22

So, if there is no label, you won't buy it, preferring those with American labels. Hoyt Jun 2015 #32

Come On, Hoyt, please try to keep up. bvar22 Jun 2015 #58

But companies will still put labels on IF consumers prefer American. A smart consumer Hoyt Jun 2015 #60

Another BIG difference: bvar22 Jun 2015 #34

I don't think that makes a lot of difference. Hoyt Jun 2015 #41

I would take "a wash" to our current ballooning trade deficits. bvar22 Jun 2015 #43

Despite the Econ 101 rule-of-thumb people use, many economists believe trade deficits are not so bad Hoyt Jun 2015 #45

Are you REALLY going to look at our ballooning Trade Deficits, bvar22 Jun 2015 #47

It gets bad if China qquits investing here, or Toyota quits building plants here, or Siemens, Hoyt Jun 2015 #48

If what you said were true instead of FALSE, bvar22 Jun 2015 #59

There are no countries anymore. PeteSelman Jun 2015 #8

This "important" horrific, monstrous, anti-human agreement. ananda Jun 2015 #9

OMG, we're acting like Sovereign Citizens now? You really have some nerve! countryjake Jun 2015 #12

Lots of myopic opponents use the sovereign nation crud as a reason. Hoyt Jun 2015 #14

You know any sovereign citizens? I mean actual members of that sick "club"? countryjake Jun 2015 #27

Hoyt has his theories about how the world works, and when they don't quite work out jeff47 Jun 2015 #19

That's a good assessment. BillZBubb Jun 2015 #52

Free trade only works if the countries are on equal footing Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #13

So are we supposed to deny developing countries a chance. That's kind of like a big winner Hoyt Jun 2015 #17

We don't have to actually cut US jobs to send them aid, you know. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #20

And, it's unlikely many, if any, jobs will be go overseas. That's just fear Hoyt Jun 2015 #23

Yes, just like no jobs moved due to NAFTA in 1994, so they never ever moved. jeff47 Jun 2015 #26

Very few if any moved from NAFTA, that weren't replaced or were already moving. Hoyt Jun 2015 #50

The Korean Trade Agreement bvar22 Jun 2015 #49

It's not even in full effect yet. Besides, the way critics calculate "lost jobs" is a joke. Hoyt Jun 2015 #51

Hmmm. Who to believe. bvar22 Jun 2015 #53

Like I said, they assume each billion dollars in a trade deficit with Korea is so many thousands job Hoyt Jun 2015 #54

At least you have finally admitted that the Korean Trade Deal has cost thousands of American jobs. bvar22 Jun 2015 #61

Nope. If we reduce our deficit with Korea, it does not mean more jobs here. Hoyt Jun 2015 #62

Did I say that?? I said FAIR TRADE Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #24

there's an enormous amount of opposition in Europe- even to the TPP cali Jun 2015 #38

Only 12 free traitors who support Wall Street and our billionaire overloards? Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #2

Where do they go from here, cali? dmr Jun 2015 #3

Not Cali, but since TAA failed and TPA passed jeff47 Jun 2015 #18

Actually 40 Dems voted for TAA and 28 Dems voted for TPA... cascadiance Jun 2015 #4

Okay. So I am still confused. I get the TAA and the TPA. What was the other bill about? jwirr Jun 2015 #16

The article linked explained it this way... cascadiance Jun 2015 #28

now I am confused G_j Jun 2015 #5

Just follow Hillary's triangulating walk. morningfog Jun 2015 #10

We got some work to do, Oregon ... Trajan Jun 2015 #6

Obama "bought" them with his trip to speak at Nike a few weeks ago... cascadiance Jun 2015 #29

You know, Ron Wyden voted for NAFTA and CAFTA and his support for free trade is unrelenting Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #55

Oregon and Seattle will be "Points of Entry" for TPP products, bvar22 Jun 2015 #57

Yes, so we should destroy the livelihoods of everyone else ... Trajan Jun 2015 #64

I oppose the TPP. bvar22 Jun 2015 #65

Never thought I'd work against Wyden. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #63

Obviously, on at least this one issue ... dawg Jun 2015 #11

I show 40 Dems that voted FOR TAA and thus TPP Red Oak Jun 2015 #39

12 DINOs. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #40