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philosslayer

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8. What "lies"?

Fri Jun 12, 2015, 06:26 PM

Jun 2015

She self identified as African-American. So what would she have been lying about? Lets put it another way. Lets say a transgender woman is applying at college. And she checks the "female" box on the application. Is she lying? No, she's a female. Conversely, if Mrs. Dolezal checks off that she is African-American, is she lying? What is the difference?

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Transgender vs. Transracial [View all] philosslayer Jun 2015 OP

Honesty. nt CJCRANE Jun 2015 #1

First response and the best one so far... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #78

I feel this is a serious question. Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #2

Thanks philosslayer Jun 2015 #3

That said... if Rachel Dolezal self-identitfies as African American, I will see and refer to her as Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #14

What if she bids on a contract as a minority owned business? Yupster Jun 2015 #115

If we are for equality for all yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #124

There's no such thing as transracial. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #141

Thanks for blowing my mind Bonx Jun 2015 #4

with Dolezal there are some questions concerning lies she may have told JI7 Jun 2015 #5

What "lies"? philosslayer Jun 2015 #8

She has told numerous lies cwydro Jun 2015 #12

Links? This is the first I've heard of actual "hate crimes" against her. Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #17

Lies about race-based attacks and threats she says she's received. Brickbat Jun 2015 #13

Her children, husband, and siblings are black marshall Jun 2015 #125

lying about who her parents are JI7 Jun 2015 #27

here cali Jun 2015 #81

awww fuck it..... Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #6

pass that box over this way dlwickham Jun 2015 #101

I thought the same. When I searched my Irish roots they tracked back to Northern Africa. blm Jun 2015 #7

The latest research cites human beings generally as originating to Africa whathehell Jun 2015 #37

Perhaps THIS country should get a grip and appreciate their actual roots�. blm Jun 2015 #48

Uh okay.. whathehell Jun 2015 #56

The reality that human race IS shared roots. blm Jun 2015 #61

Yes, it is the reality.. whathehell Jun 2015 #63

Yes - we all Yupster Jun 2015 #116

Unless you're part Neanderthal, you can trace your lineage to Africa. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #43

When I look in the mirror when I wake up, I think I'm 100% Neanderthal BlueEye Jun 2015 #49

Wvery human not from africa is part neanderthal plus another archaic human AngryAmish Jun 2015 #66

I have to shave an pluck the crap outta my unibrow. Glassunion Jun 2015 #76

Where did the Neanderthals come from? Yupster Jun 2015 #117

Africa has many peoples, North Africa has the Berbers Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #138

Yes, but, I have Moorish roots. Black Irish. blm Jun 2015 #143

From Wiki: The Moors were the medieval Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb, Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #147

Yah and just look at all the politicians who pretend their DEMOCRATS!!!!!!! HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #9

Sex develops in utero. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #10

Can I just stay and watch? bravenak Jun 2015 #11

I'll make the popcorn. cwydro Jun 2015 #15

Thank you! bravenak Jun 2015 #22

I think this could be interesting cali Jun 2015 #21

I'm counting on it. It better. I feel Hype. bravenak Jun 2015 #23

Fuh real alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #26

a few of my facebook friends would be gasping in horror over this thread. m-lekktor Jun 2015 #50

i am enjoying this too damn much! bravenak Jun 2015 #51

the term "transracial" is trending on twitter m-lekktor Jun 2015 #60

I bet she never expected to coin a new term in Sociology. bravenak Jun 2015 #65

After you watch JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #127

I saw it the other night!! bravenak Jun 2015 #130

If I posted a link to it JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #133

Race is social, gender is biological. Brickbat Jun 2015 #16

Gender (as opposed to sex or orientation) is actually also a social-construct. Chan790 Jun 2015 #121

Anthropologists say race is the last thing we identified as ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #18

"So, if a dark competed black person wanted to say "I'm white"..." jberryhill Jun 2015 #25

That last sentence is what I'm stuck with gollygee Jun 2015 #28

Exactly ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #32

perhaps you can, but lying about who your father is, lying and saying your brother is your son cali Jun 2015 #19

I'll agree she's not what the model should be philosslayer Jun 2015 #35

Caitlyn didn't say she was a woman until after she transitioned cali Jun 2015 #68

That's not quite the way it works for most trans* individuals Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #106

Both involve a host of social constructs jberryhill Jun 2015 #20

No. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #24

Because race is bullshit diamondhead Jun 2015 #29

From time to time we have had the discussion Yupster Jun 2015 #118

Bottom line is, do you have a right to expect others to treat you as however you identify and TwilightGardener Jun 2015 #30

race (and seemingly gender) are outmoded social constructs foo_bar Jun 2015 #31

Ethnocultural identities are not inborn Prism Jun 2015 #33

"A transgender individual does not make a choice. It isn't a preference." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #72

You win today's Gobsmacker Award for outrageous false equivalency. Warpy Jun 2015 #34

Clearly you disagree with my original premise philosslayer Jun 2015 #36

Do you see them as equivalent? bravenak Jun 2015 #38

If I can self-identify as a woman, why can't I self identify as African American? philosslayer Jun 2015 #40

Only white people get to choose when it comes to race. The rest of us are what they say we are. bravenak Jun 2015 #42

That is not true. BlueEye Jun 2015 #53

Yeah. But he gets called Black. bravenak Jun 2015 #54

+1 ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #55

Funny how it's only ignored when convenient. bravenak Jun 2015 #57

no shit cali Jun 2015 #89

All that. bravenak Jun 2015 #100

Good point treestar Jun 2015 #67

Exactly. bravenak Jun 2015 #69

Caitlyn Jenner didn't "choose" her gender. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #84

This is the dumbest fucking thing I've read today. morningfog Jun 2015 #112

What was your first hint? Warpy Jun 2015 #39

THANK YOU! Exactly. (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #41

! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #70

Tim Wise on this: "Blackface is still blackface . . . " gollygee Jun 2015 #44

Are you saying that there is a difference in the brains of people of different races? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #45

What the hell is transracial? Is that when a white woman puts her hair in braids and pretends to be Number23 Jun 2015 #46

Yes! bravenak Jun 2015 #52

Jezebel has been having a FIELD DAY talking about this woman Number23 Jun 2015 #71

Oh. My. God. She called her hair a '4'. bravenak Jun 2015 #73

I screamed when I read that she called her hair a 4. I LITERALLY screamed. Number23 Jun 2015 #79

It was the best part. Loving this shit. bravenak Jun 2015 #99

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #75

You need to read the dozens of posts in your thread where people have been very generous Number23 Jun 2015 #80

They finally let their true colors show. Not that it was a question. morningfog Jun 2015 #111

You're the one making an offensive comparison, philosslayer. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #82

An interesting thread philosslayer Jun 2015 #85

A lot of black and lgbt people are included in the "vocal minority". beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #87

Bullshit. No one is agreeing with you offensive nonsense. morningfog Jun 2015 #114

Just go ahead and say what you really want to say. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #83

Should just admit they self identify as a bigot. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #86

Yep the old "educate me" dodge. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #88

Good. The jury mostly got it right. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #90

I agree. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #92

They tried to pass off mockery of transgender issues by feigning ignorance. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #96

Good jury, they understood exactly what the post was really about... Spazito Jun 2015 #93

Yes, thanks jury! Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #98

Unfortunately the jury on the OP was not. Initech Jun 2015 #103

I'm not surprised... Spazito Jun 2015 #105

Go girl. Excellent alert and hide. Number23 Jun 2015 #94

Thanks. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #97

Oh you just don't get that person's keen wit and humor!!one1 Number23 Jun 2015 #108

omfg. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #129

Well, if widespread self identification was accepted and done, it means the end of affirmative actio AngryAmish Jun 2015 #47

If people were able to self-identify gollygee Jun 2015 #59

Not really possible medically treestar Jun 2015 #58

Past posts indicate that this isn't a serious question. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #62

transgender had a biological and neurological basis Takket Jun 2015 #64

You're comparing a transgender woman to a white woman who lied about her race? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #74

This - right here JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #128

You're wrong. You didn't ask a serious question. CreekDog Jun 2015 #77

This is an incredibly ignorant question. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2015 #91

The OP wasn't written in good faith. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #95

It was obvious from the start. Glad they got hidden and locked. morningfog Jun 2015 #113

First substantial post in the thread tabasco Jun 2015 #139

So if blackness" or "whiteness" are socially constructed Bonx Jun 2015 #146

"Whiteness is a boundary to be respected. Blackness is not." gollygee Jun 2015 #102

Yeah. It's blackface. The race barrier is permeable in only one direction. Recursion Jun 2015 #123

Given that there is no scientific proof for the idea of race as a biological concept, guillaumeb Jun 2015 #104

Because of seveneyes Jun 2015 #107

Two words: Brandon Teena. Discuss. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #109

Made up words DustyJoe Jun 2015 #110

Transracial? CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #119

I might take this OP seriously if the poster didn't attack black people at every opportunity alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #120

She lied to get a sense of purpose she never earned. People don't like that. Recursion Jun 2015 #122

I'm not sure what her motive was gwheezie Jun 2015 #126

You can have surgery to change gender but you can't change your genetic code. craigmatic Jun 2015 #131

you do not fool me for one second Skittles Jun 2015 #132

Thank you JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #134

Crystal. nt cwydro Jun 2015 #135

I'm just amazed at the people JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #136

Cultural appropriation. Heidi Jun 2015 #137

Am i the first to bring up Uncle Ruckus? AngryAmish Jun 2015 #140

Nope - I already did JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #145

The problem is NOT that she assumed an identity, but that she lied about JCMach1 Jun 2015 #142

The term transgender is a blanket descriptor, covering an enormously Zorra Jun 2015 #144