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Spider Jerusalem

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91. This is an incredibly ignorant question.

Fri Jun 12, 2015, 08:11 PM

Jun 2015

Gender dysphoria is an actual thing. There's a body of evidence that suggests that gender identity disorders have a biological basis. See for instance the recent literature review on the subject published in the journal Endocrine Practice. "Race" as such is a social category. There may be some genetic markers in specific populations that enable identifying their ancestry relative to other populations, but "blackness" or "whiteness" are socially constructed and not innate, or biological, or neurological.

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Transgender vs. Transracial [View all] philosslayer Jun 2015 OP

Honesty. nt CJCRANE Jun 2015 #1

First response and the best one so far... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #78

I feel this is a serious question. Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #2

Thanks philosslayer Jun 2015 #3

That said... if Rachel Dolezal self-identitfies as African American, I will see and refer to her as Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #14

What if she bids on a contract as a minority owned business? Yupster Jun 2015 #115

If we are for equality for all yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #124

There's no such thing as transracial. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #141

Thanks for blowing my mind Bonx Jun 2015 #4

with Dolezal there are some questions concerning lies she may have told JI7 Jun 2015 #5

What "lies"? philosslayer Jun 2015 #8

She has told numerous lies cwydro Jun 2015 #12

Links? This is the first I've heard of actual "hate crimes" against her. Cooley Hurd Jun 2015 #17

Lies about race-based attacks and threats she says she's received. Brickbat Jun 2015 #13

Her children, husband, and siblings are black marshall Jun 2015 #125

lying about who her parents are JI7 Jun 2015 #27

here cali Jun 2015 #81

awww fuck it..... Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #6

pass that box over this way dlwickham Jun 2015 #101

I thought the same. When I searched my Irish roots they tracked back to Northern Africa. blm Jun 2015 #7

The latest research cites human beings generally as originating to Africa whathehell Jun 2015 #37

Perhaps THIS country should get a grip and appreciate their actual roots�. blm Jun 2015 #48

Uh okay.. whathehell Jun 2015 #56

The reality that human race IS shared roots. blm Jun 2015 #61

Yes, it is the reality.. whathehell Jun 2015 #63

Yes - we all Yupster Jun 2015 #116

Unless you're part Neanderthal, you can trace your lineage to Africa. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #43

When I look in the mirror when I wake up, I think I'm 100% Neanderthal BlueEye Jun 2015 #49

Wvery human not from africa is part neanderthal plus another archaic human AngryAmish Jun 2015 #66

I have to shave an pluck the crap outta my unibrow. Glassunion Jun 2015 #76

Where did the Neanderthals come from? Yupster Jun 2015 #117

Africa has many peoples, North Africa has the Berbers Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #138

Yes, but, I have Moorish roots. Black Irish. blm Jun 2015 #143

From Wiki: The Moors were the medieval Muslim inhabitants of the Maghreb, Iberian Peninsula, Sicily, Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #147

Yah and just look at all the politicians who pretend their DEMOCRATS!!!!!!! HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #9

Sex develops in utero. LeftyMom Jun 2015 #10

Can I just stay and watch? bravenak Jun 2015 #11

I'll make the popcorn. cwydro Jun 2015 #15

Thank you! bravenak Jun 2015 #22

I think this could be interesting cali Jun 2015 #21

I'm counting on it. It better. I feel Hype. bravenak Jun 2015 #23

Fuh real alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #26

a few of my facebook friends would be gasping in horror over this thread. m-lekktor Jun 2015 #50

i am enjoying this too damn much! bravenak Jun 2015 #51

the term "transracial" is trending on twitter m-lekktor Jun 2015 #60

I bet she never expected to coin a new term in Sociology. bravenak Jun 2015 #65

After you watch JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #127

I saw it the other night!! bravenak Jun 2015 #130

If I posted a link to it JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #133

Race is social, gender is biological. Brickbat Jun 2015 #16

Gender (as opposed to sex or orientation) is actually also a social-construct. Chan790 Jun 2015 #121

Anthropologists say race is the last thing we identified as ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #18

"So, if a dark competed black person wanted to say "I'm white"..." jberryhill Jun 2015 #25

That last sentence is what I'm stuck with gollygee Jun 2015 #28

Exactly ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #32

perhaps you can, but lying about who your father is, lying and saying your brother is your son cali Jun 2015 #19

I'll agree she's not what the model should be philosslayer Jun 2015 #35

Caitlyn didn't say she was a woman until after she transitioned cali Jun 2015 #68

That's not quite the way it works for most trans* individuals Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #106

Both involve a host of social constructs jberryhill Jun 2015 #20

No. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #24

Because race is bullshit diamondhead Jun 2015 #29

From time to time we have had the discussion Yupster Jun 2015 #118

Bottom line is, do you have a right to expect others to treat you as however you identify and TwilightGardener Jun 2015 #30

race (and seemingly gender) are outmoded social constructs foo_bar Jun 2015 #31

Ethnocultural identities are not inborn Prism Jun 2015 #33

"A transgender individual does not make a choice. It isn't a preference." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #72

You win today's Gobsmacker Award for outrageous false equivalency. Warpy Jun 2015 #34

Clearly you disagree with my original premise philosslayer Jun 2015 #36

Do you see them as equivalent? bravenak Jun 2015 #38

If I can self-identify as a woman, why can't I self identify as African American? philosslayer Jun 2015 #40

Only white people get to choose when it comes to race. The rest of us are what they say we are. bravenak Jun 2015 #42

That is not true. BlueEye Jun 2015 #53

Yeah. But he gets called Black. bravenak Jun 2015 #54

+1 ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #55

Funny how it's only ignored when convenient. bravenak Jun 2015 #57

no shit cali Jun 2015 #89

All that. bravenak Jun 2015 #100

Good point treestar Jun 2015 #67

Exactly. bravenak Jun 2015 #69

Caitlyn Jenner didn't "choose" her gender. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #84

This is the dumbest fucking thing I've read today. morningfog Jun 2015 #112

What was your first hint? Warpy Jun 2015 #39

THANK YOU! Exactly. (nt) LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #41

! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #70

Tim Wise on this: "Blackface is still blackface . . . " gollygee Jun 2015 #44

Are you saying that there is a difference in the brains of people of different races? LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #45

What the hell is transracial? Is that when a white woman puts her hair in braids and pretends to be Number23 Jun 2015 #46

Yes! bravenak Jun 2015 #52

Jezebel has been having a FIELD DAY talking about this woman Number23 Jun 2015 #71

Oh. My. God. She called her hair a '4'. bravenak Jun 2015 #73

I screamed when I read that she called her hair a 4. I LITERALLY screamed. Number23 Jun 2015 #79

It was the best part. Loving this shit. bravenak Jun 2015 #99

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #75

You need to read the dozens of posts in your thread where people have been very generous Number23 Jun 2015 #80

They finally let their true colors show. Not that it was a question. morningfog Jun 2015 #111

You're the one making an offensive comparison, philosslayer. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #82

An interesting thread philosslayer Jun 2015 #85

A lot of black and lgbt people are included in the "vocal minority". beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #87

Bullshit. No one is agreeing with you offensive nonsense. morningfog Jun 2015 #114

Just go ahead and say what you really want to say. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #83

Should just admit they self identify as a bigot. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #86

Yep the old "educate me" dodge. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #88

Good. The jury mostly got it right. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #90

I agree. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #92

They tried to pass off mockery of transgender issues by feigning ignorance. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #96

Good jury, they understood exactly what the post was really about... Spazito Jun 2015 #93

Yes, thanks jury! Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #98

Unfortunately the jury on the OP was not. Initech Jun 2015 #103

I'm not surprised... Spazito Jun 2015 #105

Go girl. Excellent alert and hide. Number23 Jun 2015 #94

Thanks. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #97

Oh you just don't get that person's keen wit and humor!!one1 Number23 Jun 2015 #108

omfg. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #129

Well, if widespread self identification was accepted and done, it means the end of affirmative actio AngryAmish Jun 2015 #47

If people were able to self-identify gollygee Jun 2015 #59

Not really possible medically treestar Jun 2015 #58

Past posts indicate that this isn't a serious question. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2015 #62

transgender had a biological and neurological basis Takket Jun 2015 #64

You're comparing a transgender woman to a white woman who lied about her race? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #74

This - right here JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #128

You're wrong. You didn't ask a serious question. CreekDog Jun 2015 #77

This is an incredibly ignorant question. Spider Jerusalem Jun 2015 #91

The OP wasn't written in good faith. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #95

It was obvious from the start. Glad they got hidden and locked. morningfog Jun 2015 #113

First substantial post in the thread tabasco Jun 2015 #139

So if blackness" or "whiteness" are socially constructed Bonx Jun 2015 #146

"Whiteness is a boundary to be respected. Blackness is not." gollygee Jun 2015 #102

Yeah. It's blackface. The race barrier is permeable in only one direction. Recursion Jun 2015 #123

Given that there is no scientific proof for the idea of race as a biological concept, guillaumeb Jun 2015 #104

Because of seveneyes Jun 2015 #107

Two words: Brandon Teena. Discuss. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #109

Made up words DustyJoe Jun 2015 #110

Transracial? CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #119

I might take this OP seriously if the poster didn't attack black people at every opportunity alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #120

She lied to get a sense of purpose she never earned. People don't like that. Recursion Jun 2015 #122

I'm not sure what her motive was gwheezie Jun 2015 #126

You can have surgery to change gender but you can't change your genetic code. craigmatic Jun 2015 #131

you do not fool me for one second Skittles Jun 2015 #132

Thank you JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #134

Crystal. nt cwydro Jun 2015 #135

I'm just amazed at the people JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #136

Cultural appropriation. Heidi Jun 2015 #137

Am i the first to bring up Uncle Ruckus? AngryAmish Jun 2015 #140

Nope - I already did JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #145

The problem is NOT that she assumed an identity, but that she lied about JCMach1 Jun 2015 #142

The term transgender is a blanket descriptor, covering an enormously Zorra Jun 2015 #144