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In reply to the discussion: Glenn Greenwald: The intellectual cowardice of Bradley Manning’s critics [View all]Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)17. So what if he leaked documents stamped "classified" by some government bureaucrat?
Manning did us all a public service.
Government and military officials routinely classify millions of documents every single year that have nothing to do with defending this nation or protecting us from terrorists or others that want to harm us.
We know from civil lawsuits and the Watergate revelations of the 1970's that most of these documents are rubber stamped "confidential" or "secret" in order to conceal illegal or undemocratic actions by the government and the classification has nothing to do with the security of the people, or as they prefer calling it "national security".
I haven't been harmed in the least by the Wikileaks revelations or Mannings activities. What about you "SlimJimmy"?
And why is it that many of those who claim that Manning has endangered American troops have been among the biggest supporters of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars that have actually caused the death of thousands of U.S. soldiers?
Are they blind to that fact?
Thousands of U.S. soldiers and hundreds of thousands of civilians have lost their lives or been maimed in these wars that Manning and Wikileaks opposed while the Manning/Assange haters have been silent on the GI's who have lost their lives in vane. Total silence! And they claim Manning's activities might endanger those soldiers! Bull shit!
So these apologists for the warmakers loudly proclaim Manning should serve the rest of his life behind bars because of their great concern for the well being of U.S. troops while at the same time they salute the perpetrators of the U.S. invasions who are in fact responsible for the very real death of U.S. soldiers!
Of course they are concerned about GI's. Sure they are. Just like George W. Bush and Dick Cheney were so very concerned.
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Glenn Greenwald: The intellectual cowardice of Bradley Manning’s critics [View all]
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
OP
"...By exposing some of the worst atrocities committed by US forces in Iraq..."
duhneece
Dec 2011
#1
Court Martial: "Lead the guilty man in for a fair trial and sentencing."
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2011
#2
+1 It's not a matter of *if* he leaked classified material, he did. It's a matter of the amount
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#7
So what if he leaked documents stamped "classified" by some government bureaucrat?
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#17
What you said is not the point. When he was granted access to classified documents, he signed
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#28
You compare the governments court martial of Manning to you getting a speeding ticket!!! ???
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#30
The principal is the same regardless of the severity of the crime. You are making an argument from
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#51
It's not an *illegal* order to safeguard classified material per the agreement he signed. (nt)
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#50
Exposing war crimes is a higher moral priority than fulfilling contractual non-disclosure.
JackRiddler
Dec 2011
#63
It's not *contractual*, it's federal law. Non-disclosure agreements are punitive. IOW
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#66
The *smart* legal people would tell you that he had other options within the law, and chose not to
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#68
Who has suggested that Manning is being prosecuted under international law? The point rather is...
JackRiddler
Dec 2011
#69
Soldiers and civil servants have an obligation under federal law to not disclose classified material
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#72
Resistance to state aggressions may come in ways your mentality finds chaotic or illegal...
JackRiddler
Dec 2011
#75
And he violated federal law when he disclosed classified material to those not authorized to receive
SlimJimmy
Dec 2011
#77
Excuse me, can you think of a government that violated all laws and its own Constitution...
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#78
I've explained repeatedly that he had other options sans his criminal activity.
SlimJimmy
Jan 2012
#79
He risked his own life by contacting the IG, his Congressman, the Military whistleblower act?
SlimJimmy
Jan 2012
#82
You seem to misunderstand what I wrote: He risked his own life by doing what he actually did.
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#83
Are you ever going to admit that he broke federal law when he had other options?
SlimJimmy
Jan 2012
#84
First, we don't know if using other means would have been ineffective - he never used them.
SlimJimmy
Jan 2012
#88
Do you see paradox in your strict advocacy of the disclosure law's letter when resisting war crime?
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#89
I don't know how to get you to understand that he had *other* options. You seem to think that
SlimJimmy
Jan 2012
#90
No, your suggestion is laughable as a viable way to resist and expose war crimes.
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#92
Morality is not defined by a circuitous minutiae laid out in a rule book.
Boston_Chemist
Dec 2011
#11
Attempts at belittling the article's author by calling him "Glenny" is transparent
Matariki
Dec 2011
#13
Exactly! The pressure and threats brought down on you for even thinking about doing something
hobbit709
Dec 2011
#38
It sucks but I reluctantly have to agree if Manning leaked the information he needs to held
cstanleytech
Dec 2011
#29
"even heros that violate the law should be jailed" How many years do you think Manning should get?
Better Believe It
Dec 2011
#31
"No particular wrongs were revealed that are of enough interest to be discussed"
bread_and_roses
Dec 2011
#37
Greenwald uses hyperbole to attract people to his long polemic essays that lack continuity...
Kolesar
Dec 2011
#41
Greenwald is a forced ex-pat as the US will not allow gay people to bring our partners
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#44
You are using against him that which is forced on him due to discimination
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#58
Of course, that is not what he says at all. He says the critics of Manning are cowardly
Bluenorthwest
Dec 2011
#43
One difference is obvious to anyone not deliberately ignoring it: Ellsberg knew what he was leaking.
Donald Ian Rankin
Jan 2012
#80
Manning has admitted leaking classified info. He did the crime, he'll do the time.
MjolnirTime
Jan 2012
#87