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leveymg

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43. We are waste deep in mud and going deeper because of the advise of the foreign policy mandarins.

Sat Jun 13, 2015, 05:43 PM

Jun 2015

The hawkish foreign policy "professionals" around Hillary have proven themselves wrong over and over again, but never seem to learn from their mistakes. A lot of people are beginning to understand that the TINA doctrine doesn't really apply, and there really are alternatives. Bernie presents an alternative, and he's been right while the neocons and hawks have been very, very wrong.

It's really very simple: fire those who have created the problems, such as ISIS. Hire someone who will do things differently.

We have an opportunity to do better, and to save ourselves a lot of grief in the next 4 to 8 years.

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Listening to Hillary's speech today, where have we heard this before? [View all] leveymg Jun 2015 OP

We do not need another fucking war. winter is coming Jun 2015 #1

+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #68

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Jun 2015 #95

+1,000,000 rosesaylavee Jun 2015 #139

She sounds like that guy with the bullhorn at the WTC site. bvar22 Jun 2015 #191

We don't need any other war, Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #193

America is overdue for a new direction. The one in which Bernie's moral compass is pointed. Gregorian Jun 2015 #2

+1 n/t MissDeeds Jun 2015 #4

I'd actually prefer Bill to Hillary... jimlup Jun 2015 #10

I agree with your wife. n/t zentrum Jun 2015 #100

Hilary is working with a broken compass Dragonfli Jun 2015 #39

plenty of us feel your pain AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #42

Thank you, but honestly, I am at the point where I just keep hoping each month Dragonfli Jun 2015 #54

i'm doing okay financially, but DesertFlower Jun 2015 #118

A wonderful, eloquent post. hifiguy Jun 2015 #75

Yup. zentrum Jun 2015 #102

Indeed. Maedhros Jun 2015 #141

You don't want more endless war and hifiguy Jun 2015 #152

I call myself an RFK Democrat Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #159

Thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts down like this. Gregorian Jun 2015 #103

You have eloquently stated Thespian2 Jun 2015 #107

Thanks for an eloquent post. hay rick Jun 2015 #116

We Need To Stop Neo-Liberalism! Rockyj Jun 2015 #121

*********^^^^^^^ T H I S ^^^^^^^^********* MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #132

So much win in this post. Myrina Jun 2015 #188

Loud and clear - thank you. 840high Jun 2015 #79

Amen! secondwind Jun 2015 #160

Yeah, I felt the same way listening to that marym625 Jun 2015 #3

She's not against citizens united. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #87

Just quoting marym625 Jun 2015 #88

Yes, actions, not words. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #89

Doing the Bernie Bounce! marym625 Jun 2015 #90

Me too! onecaliberal Jun 2015 #91

Love it! marym625 Jun 2015 #92

It's all there if you read between the lines. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #5

The reality is that her foreign policy signature FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #6

It's on Haiti, too. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #122

I heard the Hawkishness too. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #7

I fear she'll zentrum Jun 2015 #105

It is just another clydefrand Jun 2015 #8

Good point. Bernie's speeches 840high Jun 2015 #80

Forboding. Portent. Harbinger. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #9

Don't say she didn't warn us. n/t leveymg Jun 2015 #11

That got me feeling a bit sick to my stomach, literally. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #14

Cold-blooded and enjoys showing it. That was my reaction to an earlier remark she made as SoS> leveymg Jun 2015 #16

:( SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #36

nope Vattel Jun 2015 #73

i have a friend who said she feels "hillary could DesertFlower Jun 2015 #114

I think that perception is distributed among members of both parties of both genders. leveymg Jun 2015 #125

my choice is bernie, but if she DesertFlower Jun 2015 #127

I wish I really believed that. Paka Jun 2015 #137

you and me both paka roguevalley Jun 2015 #175

I know three republican women who said they will vote for her. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #187

It's political Depaysement Jun 2015 #149

"Men" are not responsible for Hillary's character flaws. The very claim is infantilizing. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #170

Really now Depaysement Jun 2015 #171

I agree roguevalley Jun 2015 #176

I'm so sick of reruns n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #12

Its a simple question..... Segami Jun 2015 #13

+1 AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #46

+1,000,000 donf Jun 2015 #201

Lovely. Fan the flames of militarism and address us as if we are fearful cowards. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #15

Well, why not! SoapBox Jun 2015 #20

Yes...and with crucial negotiations going on with Iran (Obama/Kerry) KoKo Jun 2015 #63

Great post. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #69

She's as diplomatic as Attila the Hun. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #81

She is trying to appeal to Republicans. Not a one of them will vote for her. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #104

at age 73 i'm from hillary's generation too -- DesertFlower Jun 2015 #120

me 2 roguevalley Jun 2015 #177

The only thing we have to fear, is thought itself. Octafish Jun 2015 #17

So your recommendation to Bernie Sanders is to ignore foreign policy altogether? brooklynite Jun 2015 #18

No, to borrow a phrase (and to contradict Hillary), "Don't do stupid stuff" is a foreign policy. leveymg Jun 2015 #19

+1. Obama did change course on Iran, to his credit and I wish Clinton had not Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #47

WHO said ignore foreign policy? pangaia Jun 2015 #24

We're tired of listening to foreign policy and talk of wars. PADemD Jun 2015 #26

Your Straw Man machine must be working overtime nt nichomachus Jun 2015 #30

and this means what roguevalley Jun 2015 #178

How in the world did you come up with that? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #40

I'll take the candidate who doesn't vote to annihilate nations in order to "look tough." Scootaloo Jun 2015 #74

No...just to reject the idea that foreign policy Ken Burch Jun 2015 #123

Funny how that applies to our own country too. Nt F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #151

I'm pretty sure your education and experience(s) far exceed mine as I'm just a poor working blue ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #182

Sounds so Republican to me. zeemike Jun 2015 #21

Well, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck . . . donf Jun 2015 #202

Enough Clinton's and Bush's - we can do better as a country. jalan48 Jun 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author ladjf Jun 2015 #23

Well, on the plus side, she's more erudite than Dubya. [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #25

"I�ll do whatever it takes to keep Americans safe" � Yeah, because that's HORRIBLE. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #27

I had to read your heading three times to realize it was sarcastic starroute Jun 2015 #33

Another strawman. arcane1 Jun 2015 #35

you are ignoring her words with your remarks intending roguevalley Jun 2015 #180

"Great nations need organizing principles - 'Don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle" leveymg Jun 2015 #37

Trouble is, anyone who thinks that probably also accepts the idea Ken Burch Jun 2015 #59

Well, we've always been at war with Eastasia. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #86

AND Eurasia. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #101

Lol, yes. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #106

The problem is, that phrase means "bear any burden, fight any foe"(graphic image/trigger alert) Ken Burch Jun 2015 #51

bill draft dodged that war roguevalley Jun 2015 #181

I've always remembered that, even though he dodged, he never once defended the antiwar movement Ken Burch Jun 2015 #197

Right out of Smirk's standard speech Doctor_J Jun 2015 #58

''Money trumps peace.'' -- pretzeldent George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Jun 2015 #112

Yeah, it is HORRIBLE. cui bono Jun 2015 #142

President Hillary Clinton would make us LESS SAFE Martin Eden Jun 2015 #161

There are threats!!! Ooooooo...I'm so scared here in the land of the free, home of the brave!! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #184

How is it living in a world of rainbows and unicorns? NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #194

It's great. At least I'm not afraid of my own shadow. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #198

At least some of us aren't hopelessly naive. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #200

Yea, that's it! I'm hopelessly naive... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #204

Not a big Hillary fan but... moondust Jun 2015 #28

That's what I was thinking she was doing: trying not to look weak; I don't think she was C Moon Jun 2015 #52

trying to sound like a Republican, you mean. Doctor_J Jun 2015 #62

Yeah, pretty much. I'm not defending what she said, again I think she is trying not to look weak. C Moon Jun 2015 #67

I can understand moondust Jun 2015 #111

You can hope HRC is not as militaristic as she sounds Martin Eden Jun 2015 #162

This is very unfair of you nichomachus Jun 2015 #29

Sadly NYC is not home to legal mary jane as of yet, or it might have worked.... peacebird Jun 2015 #34

That part struck me, too....Why the "Enemies/Adversaries" Dig? KoKo Jun 2015 #31

You have been very successful in pointing out a big weakness Bernie has. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #32

Hasn't shown complete attention to the ISIS situation?? retrowire Jun 2015 #38

ISIS isn't just a problem in the heart of Islam, he is able to get security briefings and if this is Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #45

... retrowire Jun 2015 #93

I don't buy this argument. How many times has ISIS attacked in the USA? DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #99

We are waste deep in mud and going deeper because of the advise of the foreign policy mandarins. leveymg Jun 2015 #43

Fire the ones who created ISIS? yep this would coreect the problem if we could just fire those who Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #48

Do you really want me to answer that question? leveymg Jun 2015 #56

If your answer is reasonable then we could discuss, to be honest with you, firing the ones who Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #72

Okay. Let's go back to early 2011 . . . actually one of the ISIS creators was fired. His name was leveymg Jun 2015 #76

Discussion is over. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #82

I merely quoted the NYT, Reuters, Times of London, and you have nothing to say? leveymg Jun 2015 #84

"What are you afraid of?" NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #97

it's over because you say so roguevalley Jun 2015 #183

And do you understand the why? Depaysement Jun 2015 #146

right ablamj Jun 2015 #77

Some of them are seeking higher office or, in the alternative, public rehabilitation. leveymg Jun 2015 #83

Already naming off enemies and "allies" AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #41

Russia ...the new entree into the axis of evil ...a cold war loving war hawks dream. L0oniX Jun 2015 #98

no kidding AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #205

HRC/Kali '16. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #44

Kali or Calley? leveymg Jun 2015 #50

Depends on the ballot requirements in individual states. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #55

Not sure Kali can produce her long-form. LOL leveymg Jun 2015 #60

Who'd have the stones to QUESTION her on it, though? n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #64

Sorta get the impression that Hillary hopes she has the same effect in Eastern Europe & Iran. leveymg Jun 2015 #71

oh, so she wants to discuss ISIS's origins, Ukraine, our soaring military budget, Israel, Russia, MisterP Jun 2015 #49

"I�ll do whatever it takes to keep Americans safe" stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #53

Did you applaud when Smirk said that? Doctor_J Jun 2015 #61

Warren is recently Republican do you hate her? stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #157

I'm sorry, but I didn't see your answer to the question... nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #186

You realize that that means making sure that the war budget NEVER goes down Ken Burch Jun 2015 #65

You made the most important point possible. hifiguy Jun 2015 #85

From what? MattSh Jun 2015 #156

from this stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #158

Military solutions will NOT keep Americans safe Martin Eden Jun 2015 #174

ding ding ding! mooseprime Jun 2015 #57

It's increasingly difficult to defend the House of Saud and the US Constitution simultaneously. leveymg Jun 2015 #66

I wonder what the Republican candidates will make of this? fadedrose Jun 2015 #148

Well, I've heard it every time she's ever said anything about foreign policy Scootaloo Jun 2015 #70

Hey Hillary, Chelsea is still young enough to enlist. What is she waiting for? BeanMusical Jun 2015 #78

I must admit hfojvt Jun 2015 #94

I wish you were right that she's just another tired, self-interested pol. Rather, she still has a leveymg Jun 2015 #113

I think her main goal is just to BE President hfojvt Jun 2015 #119

She may honestly believe she's still a member of the Middle Class and hasn't a clue leveymg Jun 2015 #124

some people do think that hfojvt Jun 2015 #128

The very rich and the very poor are a lot alike. They tend to let their children run wild, leveymg Jun 2015 #130

Hail of bullets ...and all that shit. Exceptionalness ...blah blah blah. L0oniX Jun 2015 #96

The HRC Warhawk Lives Up To Her Reputation cantbeserious Jun 2015 #108

Hillary to the world. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #109

Well put, leveymg. Octafish Jun 2015 #110

Thanks for posting the transcript of her speech! leveymg Jun 2015 #115

I feel it in my bones and this OP is nearly EXACTLY what I have been trying to say. And yet... Bonobo Jun 2015 #117

That's for another OP and another speech. ;-) leveymg Jun 2015 #126

Wake me when we can call Israel Caretha Jun 2015 #129

She is tougher than Margret Thasher. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #131

You mean Reagan's best pal? Pauldg47 Jun 2015 #140

When a candidate says they are going to "protect America" it's code for "more money to the MIC". nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #173

Groundhog Day. nt silvershadow Jun 2015 #133

God! She's positioning herself as the next WAR PRESIDENT! Follow in W and Cheney's footsteps! Kablooie Jun 2015 #134

I understand her need to show her ability to be able to be a war President, but Sept 11 references.. marble falls Jun 2015 #135

No more status quo, sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #136

Unfotunately, there will be wars because there are leaders of countries that want it.... Gloria Jun 2015 #138

She worked in the STATE DEPARTMENT! Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #143

exactly-- she's a creature of that whole mindset Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #169

You do not need to tear down Hillary to support Bernie. juajen Jun 2015 #144

The issue was clearly Clinton's bellicose speech. Please try to keep up. n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #145

It's about what she'd be like as president...not about tearing her down as a person. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #153

This speech could give me nightmares... fadedrose Jun 2015 #147

All she's missing is the boots and the smirk. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #150

While her statements in paragraphs 5 & 7 are correct davidpdx Jun 2015 #154

It's a nightmare. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #155

Warring and Foundationing, warring and foundationing warring and foundationing - money and DhhD Jun 2015 #163

Clinton's speech was to the Elite: The People Are Yours. DhhD Jun 2015 #164

"and reinforced allies like Israel." R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #165

Another day, another Hillary Clinton Whipping Post thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #166

She's the one who said it: Another day, another war. leveymg Jun 2015 #167

exactly-- well said. She's a creature of the war machine and the war racket. Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #168

I'm sorry to say that RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #172

Sometime 1998 or so? alphafemale Jun 2015 #179

But it's so fucking easy to siphoned the treasury with a war. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #185

Cha-ching, cha-ching. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #189

As the lady at Drake University said yesterday ... DrBulldog Jun 2015 #190

that is certainly NOT an alternative vision for U.S. future.... mike_c Jun 2015 #192

After listening to HRC's speech, and then reading it, then reading the commentaries, GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #195

geez heaven05 Jun 2015 #196

Christ... Puha Ekapi Jun 2015 #199

Why doesn't she come out of the closet and run as a republican? tularetom Jun 2015 #203