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BainsBane

(57,757 posts)
133. How is she conservative on economic issues?
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 05:47 PM
Jun 2015

Bumper sticker internet slogans are not policy differences. Just because you and your pals repeat something over and over again doesn't make it true.

What evidence do you have that Clinton is conservative on economic issues? I see her as more progressive than most of the people here who express a view of economic justice that seeks to restore the white middle-and upper-middle class back to what it sees as its rightful position atop the capitalist order. I looked at Sanders website and it gives no policy or proposals, simply a paragraph offering a critique that could have been written by anyone here.

I won't be voting for someone to validate your anger at Wall Street, particularly since I am not of the privileged economic class that even has any interaction with the bankers you all are so angry at. Nor will I stand with people who dismiss my basic rights as "Third Way," or worse. You all denigrate the basic civil rights of the majority of Americans, offer no economic alternatives, and repeat empty slogans. That is hardly convincing and in fact many here use those terms in ways that are purposefully alienating and exclusionary.


And as for being cozy with Wall Street. Another bumper sticker slogan that says nothing. Is that a reference to the present state of campaign finance that you refuse to concern yourself with and instead project it onto Clinton? Or to the fact that Wall Street was in fact in her Senatorial district? I find such slogans tiresome, particularly when they eschew any critique of capital itself. I'm guessing like many here you see Wall Street as worse than the merchants of death whose profits Sanders votes to protect. I myself believe murder profiteering is a worse crime than usury, and I find rhetoric about "corporate" this and that rings hollow when it excludes merchants of death, or any other business or capital you all happen to find useful. Voting against gun control promotes war at home, a war that has taken over 1.4 million lives since 1968. I think voting with the GOP on gun issues is unconscionable. But then again, I differ from many in valuing human rights, life, and civil rights above the pocket books of the upper-middle class. You will vote for your interests, I vote for mine.

So by all means, you vote based on your labels and bumper sticker slogans. I will vote in favor of my own interests. They clearly are not the same as yours, and I am done being insulted by people who insist they have the right to compel the rest of us to do their bidding. You have one vote, and it doesn't include mine.

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Here's to Hillary! rock Jun 2015 #1
She's going to fight and she knows how it's done. Arkansas Granny Jun 2015 #2
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #3
What does one have to do with the other? MoonRiver Jun 2015 #5
Well, typically "Tough Mother" is followed by another word that starts with F..... jeff47 Jun 2015 #10
That never entered my mind, but thank you for your concern. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #11
I'd guess they did that intentionally. bunnies Jun 2015 #13
The difference between this and the NYC_SKP post thesquanderer Jun 2015 #22
They have an odd way of showing that difference. jeff47 Jun 2015 #26
What do you mean by "they?" MoonRiver Jun 2015 #32
Yes, I'm well aware. jeff47 Jun 2015 #37
I do not believe it is happening here. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #40
Other differences thesquanderer Jun 2015 #118
So all 4,949 other cases were not insulting. jeff47 Jun 2015 #139
What? thesquanderer Jun 2015 #140
So are you arguing it is good to have a "can't insult Clinton" rule jeff47 Jun 2015 #141
No, I didn't say that either. thesquanderer Jun 2015 #142
The term here is definitely sexist MissDeeds Jun 2015 #53
Seriously? diamondhead Jun 2015 #55
Good one MissDeeds Jun 2015 #56
hahahaha pamela Jun 2015 #131
Not even comparable still_one Jun 2015 #73
We'll have to agree to disagree MissDeeds Jun 2015 #77
How is it sexist?/NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #92
"Motherf****r" was originally a slur against men, not women. Xithras Jun 2015 #136
We agree. nt bunnies Jun 2015 #102
+1 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #35
Selective outrage, I think Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #52
Without question MissDeeds Jun 2015 #54
I didn't think of that treestar Jun 2015 #43
not at all, it's the dura that protects your brain greymattermom Jun 2015 #60
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This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2015 #9
That was completely uncalled for. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #12
. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #16
One thing I have no doubt of with hillary. boston bean Jun 2015 #4
She's been fighting those scum bags for 25 years and she always wins! MoonRiver Jun 2015 #6
When did she win? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #38
HRC's speeches were $200,000 a pop, not $20,000 Divernan Jun 2015 #89
What you said, JD GCP Jun 2015 #122
Ye-es! shenmue Jun 2015 #44
Correct! leftofcool Jun 2015 #20
:) BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #24
Why would she have too madokie Jun 2015 #34
Barack Obama has been the bet president of my lifetime. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #8
I truly believe she can build off his accomplishments.... NCTraveler Jun 2015 #15
Me too. Hoyt Jun 2015 #29
I'm finally going to get the hope and change I wanted in 2008! MoonRiver Jun 2015 #14
I really don't know how you can say that.... NCTraveler Jun 2015 #18
My preference was Hillary, which was all I meant. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #21
"she would have handled the Iraq/Syria crisis better"? JDPriestly Jun 2015 #39
you seem concerned stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #61
There wasn't a fillibuster-proof majority when Bill Clinton was president. StevieM Jun 2015 #97
really? DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #100
K & R Iliyah Jun 2015 #17
I really want a woman as president, but I just cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #41
We know!! boston bean Jun 2015 #46
Thanks. At least I'm getting my points across. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #49
Right, better someone who was a Republican into middle age BainsBane Jun 2015 #112
In good conscience I'm voting for her Iliyah Jun 2015 #51
I agree. We need to break the glass ceiling but HRC is not the woman to do it. totodeinhere Jun 2015 #123
"Shut your mouth!" Coventina Jun 2015 #19
Heh! ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #23
LOL! nt cyberswede Jun 2015 #25
Who's the cat who won't cop out, BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #28
Hmmm~! I remember that song!!! MADem Jun 2015 #31
Well, sure, what else could follow the word "Mother" ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #96
My first thought. hay rick Jun 2015 #107
Kudos to Hillary! leftofcool Jun 2015 #27
Nope Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #30
You don't think she's tough? AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #42
I think she Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #45
. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #62
I think you're right MissDeeds Jun 2015 #66
A strong woman, indeed! DawgHouse Jun 2015 #33
Now let's see if she focuses that toughness against Liberals instead of Republicans. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #36
She is tough and strong. Both will be needed. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #47
K & R SunSeeker Jun 2015 #48
I am likewise rather offended by the SheilaT Jun 2015 #50
Okay, who's going to alert on this??? MissDeeds Jun 2015 #57
It would be a waste Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #63
Hmmmmmm..... AlbertCat Jun 2015 #58
K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #59
Hillary will talk... Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #64
+1 DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #93
This is sad dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #65
Yep Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #69
So this is officially Hillary Underground now? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #67
careful, you will get alerted on Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #70
I have been wondering that too MissDeeds Jun 2015 #76
Nobody is preventing you from debating the issues or supporting your own candidate.... Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #82
Feel free to start your own website. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #80
that's like complaining about discussion of the super bowl on a sports forum JI7 Jun 2015 #110
Skinner's not allowed an opinion? Codeine Jun 2015 #121
Come on now.....as much as I am against Hillary as our nominee... Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #126
Is she being mean to Chelsea again? KamaAina Jun 2015 #68
Tough mother, are they serious? raindaddy Jun 2015 #71
Ouch, that hurts Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #84
'Murka Orsino Jun 2015 #99
The article provides this context: R B Garr Jun 2015 #101
Blah blah blah! stop telling us stories! Tell us your positions coward! fbc Jun 2015 #72
Who are referring to as coward? still_one Jun 2015 #74
Never thought of Hillary as a coward. As secty of State or Senator, she randys1 Jun 2015 #79
That is why I asked, it wasn't clear to me, and I agree, she is no coward, as are many women who still_one Jun 2015 #85
must have been her under all of that gun fire Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #86
Right! She landed under sniper fire in Bosnia, after all! Divernan Jun 2015 #90
One Tough Mother? trof Jun 2015 #75
They are shooting for the moderates on both sides imo. Rex Jun 2015 #106
Meh AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #78
Very clever. Let the listener finish the line. underpants Jun 2015 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Jun 2015 #113
Shush yo' mouth ..... ronnykmarshall Jun 2015 #83
Um... cyberswede Jun 2015 #87
They are going for the moderate votes on both sides, saw this one coming a while back. Rex Jun 2015 #105
"Hillary Clinton’s campaign is going to sell her" Agony Jun 2015 #88
And she can be bought MissDeeds Jun 2015 #98
Good video! kentuck Jun 2015 #91
She sure picked the right sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #94
You obviously don't know her record BainsBane Jun 2015 #114
She's a typical "Third Way" democrat, sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #120
How is she conservative on economic issues? BainsBane Jun 2015 #133
Try saying all that with half as many words. sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #138
Always glad to see you posting in GD anf the HRC room Skinner. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #95
She is a fighter.. I've seen that. More need to be aware of it.. thanks Skinner Cha Jun 2015 #103
Interesting since the term "mother" used this way is usually followed by fuck***. Bonobo Jun 2015 #104
same slogan as the Wasilla Witch Doctor_J Jun 2015 #108
I somehow doubt it. senseandsensibility Jun 2015 #109
There is this PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #116
Skinner Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #111
When will she be tough enough to come out against TPP? n/t eridani Jun 2015 #115
Just what we need! Margaret Thatcher! Scuba Jun 2015 #117
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I haven't posted here in a while but, darkangel218 Jun 2015 #124
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How are things going? pintobean Jun 2015 #128
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"I'm not banned from DU, but I will never go back there again. Screw them" - 6/6/15 Make7 Jun 2015 #129
A tough mother would be tough enough to come out and let her views be known on totodeinhere Jun 2015 #125
I predicted her run for office when she was the First Lady living in the White House. In_The_Wind Jun 2015 #130
What does the wink imply? JonLP24 Jun 2015 #132
Jury results, post #127 Lancero Jun 2015 #137
I hate when they write the punchlines themselves. Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #143
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