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Segami

(14,923 posts)
Sat Jun 13, 2015, 05:50 PM Jun 2015

Hillary May Have Just LOST This Campaign [View all]

from DailyKos:


Hillary the Inevitable looks like a Goliath right now, but the most crucial moment of the 2016 Democratic primary may have happened already. Kos and others who support her cite her obvious assets--name recognition, her husband, her organization, and her vast financial resources--and conclude that she is the most powerful candidate to advance to the general election. They admit that she is a machine, for the most part--a concocted political presence who has endured, has a loyal core constituency, and dominates a comfortable pocket of the political spectrum that has been a proven winner in recent presidential elections--the moderate liberal who is progressive on social issues, not so much in military and economic matters. If you count Gore's stolen victory, it's won five of the last six contests--and none of those candidates had the cumulative strength of Hillary Clinton's current campaign. But most every one of her supporters will acknowledge that Hillary's political juggernaut is compromised by a single weakness: the sincerity of her progressive credentials, and just where her loyalties lie. That is a question that has dogged her and her husband for many years, and a question that has expanded in its significance now that economic injustice has emerged as the single greatest issue of our day. It is the single question that has compromised her popularity here on Daily Kos, and dominates arguments between her supporters and detractors. Hillary's advocates counter this argument by citing her inevitability, citing Bernie's age and other allegedly disqualifying factors, and making ridiculous claims that he's going to ignore issues like immigration reform, police violence, etc. just because he hasn't made them his focus. I've got news for you, guys--economic injustice is the biggest issue today for every American citizen, whether they realize it or not. Bernie is staying on this message because that's what disciplined politicians do, and because it's the biggest issue that differentiates him from Hillary. Hillary supporters are maintaining that she will win because she is the Greatest Machine Ever, even though she is weaker than Bernie on the biggest issue of our day: America's economic future and the survival of the middle class. And you hardly ever hear one of her supporters say that her economic policies are superior to Bernie's--they counter by maintaining instead that his policies are unrealistic, unattainable, or relatively unimportant.



Hillary knows this issue is a problem for her, or she wouldn't have made it a punch line/centerpiece of her campaign video announcement. After watching the video even I felt hopeful that maybe Hillary the Machine had decided that she needed to go left on economic issues after all, corporate donors be damned. And of course she followed that with bold policy statements regarding immigration, police violence, and immigration, which were certainly encouraging since I have at times felt that her election seemed inevitable. But I and many other Sanders supporters were skeptical about exactly to what lengths she would go to save the middle class. Her message on economic insecurity conveyed acknowledgment of the problem, but almost nothing in the way of specific policy proposals--in stark opposition to Bernie's laundry list of economic interventions. It smacks of lip service in the absence of conviction, the kind that's familiar to political junkies of all stripes--the empty campaign promises that can be nominally fulfilled after election victory by half-hearted, limited measures with minimal political consequence. She was trying to deprive Bernie of sole possession of this issue, but certainly not trying to own it. However, hopeful Hillaryites could still comfort themselves with the idea that she will pursue the issue with more detail and conviction when she's in office--understanding that Hillary can't afford to alienate her contributors now, but holding the belief that underneath it all Hillary has their best interests at heart. Even I tried to maintain this "run to the middle, govern to the left" fantasy back when Hillary seemed even more inevitable than she does now (i.e., before Bernie stole my heart and vote.) But now that TPP's come to vote before Congress, that idea is all shot to hell-- and Bernie now has possession of a political weapon for which Hillary has no credible defense.



As we all know now, TPP is a very large trade agreement that is coming along at a very vulnerable time for our nation. We have a government that is divided, discredited, and weak--and yet it is the only counterbalance we as a people have to the will of an entrenched, self-interested economic elite that seemingly has no limits to its lust for wealth and power. A huge proportion of Americans are facing diminishing options for economic success, and an increasingly insecure future. Hope is in very short supply. So along comes this bill that is so onerous and counterproductive that another bill (TAA) has to be passed for alleged compensation to American workers--as if American workers WANTED compensation instead of jobs!!!! Not only that, it includes bizarre regulatory mechanisms that, in the minds of myself and many others, appear to be a sort of corporate world government aimed at undermining the ability of sovereign nations to regulate their own economies. AND the text of the bill was secret!!! AND The Powers That Be wanted to "FAST-TRACK" it!!!!!!!! Those of us who want the economic priorities of this nation changed probably share my desire for a top-to-bottom overhaul of the tax code, trade regulation, management of economic resources, etc.--i.e., a comprehensive plan to change things for the better. Such an undertaking would entail extensive study of the problems that exist, and a thoughtful review of proposals that might solve those problems that takes into account all the potential negatives of each proposal--not just a bunch of willy-nilly actions without aforethought. The first step in such a mission is to avoid doing something stupid and counterproductive--such as passing a huge, highly questionable trade bill with unpredictable consequences, obvious negatives, unknown content--and especially doing so in a hurry because the bad guys say so!!!!


Hillary Clinton had every opportunity to express such concerns about TPP, and did nothing besides awkwardly sitting on the fence. If she was even a "moderate liberal" on this issue, couldn't she express concerns about "fast-tracking" the process, calling for delay of this legislation until more extensive study of the legislation could occur with open public scrutiny? The majority of Democrats in both the Senate and House opposed this legislation. By sitting on her hands, she positioned herself firmly in the right wing of her party on trade issues, on the same side of the corporate oligarchy we are trying to usurp. Sure, the vote went down, and the TPP is now on hold. But we didn't know for sure that was going to happen, and besides the issue still lives to see another day. Maybe Hillary will reexamine the political calculus and adjust her stance, and join the majority of her party in opposition to the treaty. But when push came to shove this past week, Hillary made it crystal clear--she cannot be relied upon to place the interests of the common American above those of her corporate sponsors. We here at Daily Kos can still debate who is most capable of defeating the Republicans in November 2016--but when it comes to the pivotal issue of economic injustice, Hillary has now revealed herself to be all talk, no walk. In the weeks to come, you can bet that Bernie's going to address the other issues of the day that concern all of us here, such as immigration reform, voting reform, #BlackLivesMatter--and on every one of them he will be comfortably progressive, because, let's face it, NOBODY is more progressive than Bernie Sanders is. But Hillary will never be able to walk back this past week, and IMO unable to establish any credibility on the biggest issue of today--which happens to be Bernie's home turf!!! And just because Bernie has been playing nice with Hillary so far, don't expect him to refrain from calling her out on this point. It will be replayed again and again, and Hillary will be damned if she does, damned if she don't--forced to rationalize her indecision, attempting to explain why she didn't have enough fear of the consequences TPP to slow down the process, to argue for transparency, or do anything else. Her passivity was acceptance. And neither passivity, nor acceptance, appear to me to be defensible in this primary campaign.





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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/13/1392968/-Hillary-may-have-just-lost-this-campaign

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Hillary will be fine,regardless of the non stop sufrommich Jun 2015 #1
You mean like the bitterness from the PUMA crowd? Kelvin Mace Jun 2015 #12
Yea the bitter thing won't hunt Egnever Jun 2015 #21
Were they ever seems like mostly pretenders...... Historic NY Jun 2015 #181
Many "PUMAs" were BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #224
Still beating that dead horse? ronnykmarshall Jun 2015 #252
Not really but it hasn't stopped the hate from those folks Egnever Jun 2015 #261
Need help once again....whats a 'PUMA"? 7962 Jun 2015 #45
Party Unity, My Ass! Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #49
The PUMAs Segami Jun 2015 #50
Ahhhh, I see! Thanks for both responses 7962 Jun 2015 #54
And they are ready to do the same thing this time around again passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #75
Take out the earplugs. okasha Jun 2015 #84
How about a link to some of those comments, because I seriously have not seen them passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #86
Search is your friend. okasha Jun 2015 #92
ie. there are none. (nt) paleotn Jun 2015 #100
To the rescue. Again. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #109
Of course we will support SOS Clinton.... paleotn Jun 2015 #115
18% of "you" will not. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #120
For the same reasons we voted for Obama in 2012... paleotn Jun 2015 #130
Hillary once claimed that Pakistan was the most dangerous country in the World. This country is the DhhD Jun 2015 #231
46% of Bernie supporters said they would support Hillary if she wins the primaries passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #132
To the best of my knowledge, there isn't one. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #137
well, here you go passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #163
just as I thought passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #167
I just saw this. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #172
Sorry it's late and I'm tired. I'll see if I can find it again passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #173
how is 17% "many" sanders hopemountain Jun 2015 #258
I just resurrected my poll. okasha Jun 2015 #148
okasha, I'd like to see it. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #175
My phone gets pissy with links. okasha Jun 2015 #180
Thanks (n/t) OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #182
I'm quite towards the center, much to the right of regular DUers ConservativeDemocrat Jun 2015 #158
There are dozens, at least, okasha Jun 2015 #110
I'll believe that when I see it..... paleotn Jun 2015 #118
You just did. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #122
Just search out any of my posts. eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #226
Because every Hillary supporter laughs at Bernie ybbor Jun 2015 #155
Hardly. okasha Jun 2015 #160
Bullcrap! I love Bernie. juajen Jun 2015 #211
Same here .... ronnykmarshall Jun 2015 #253
I've never laughed at Bernie in my life. juajen Jun 2015 #212
You are wrong, my "friend." eom BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #227
Do you know where you are? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #95
I bet you thought we were in the Hillary support forum passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #97
I know exactly where I am. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #103
I"m not going to play your games. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #113
Don't play my "games" then. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #114
I clicked on your link passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #123
You're not "looking" for anything. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #133
I never said "all" Bernie supporters would vote for Hillary in the general passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #140
Pretty much done here. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #150
Hey, I can't prove a negative passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #153
Um... that would, theoretically, be MY job. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #154
This got lost somehow...but here it is again passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #166
Eh wut? OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #169
Funny ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #164
Actually I just posted a poll that totally disproves what you just said. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #165
Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #176
Sorry, I am not up to your challenge. I am exhausted and going to bed. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #195
You are purposefully being obtuse Sheepshank Jun 2015 #240
Well, let me add myself to that list. Amimnoch Jun 2015 #245
OMG, really? Do you think PUMA activism translated to... Beartracks Jun 2015 #209
PUMA is awholenother group this election. SleeplessinSoCal Jun 2015 #216
A nasty, nasty slam that people who supported Obama in the primaries used against Hillary supporters Marrah_G Jun 2015 #112
I remember it too well ronnykmarshall Jun 2015 #254
omg the ignorance is astounding. and Bragging about Voting for McCain if HRC isn't on the Ballot! 2banon Jun 2015 #170
It is somewhat surprising, but not shocking. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #279
good point. It's what I say when I feel "gob smacked" by something so ridiculous .. 2banon Jul 2015 #281
This is pointing out policy weakness. It's not bitterness onecaliberal Jun 2015 #31
Most won't take there blinders off to read it. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #41
Hillary will never be fine... Thespian2 Jun 2015 #63
Maybe not, but passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #128
Sorry Thespian2 Jun 2015 #131
You know what? passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #136
When you are right Thespian2 Jun 2015 #179
I'll give you that, but it's not saying a whole lot. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2015 #280
Whistle past the graveyard much? paleotn Jun 2015 #67
Believe she will be tooeyeten Jun 2015 #197
You call it bitterness. I call it concern. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #205
Mrs Clinton won't fly very high without a left wing Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #234
Yup....totally making much out of little Sheepshank Jun 2015 #239
Well said, suf! nt OhZone Jun 2015 #246
tl;dr OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #2
What is tl;dr? calimary Jun 2015 #127
too long didn't read Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #138
Aha! Thanks! That's a new one for me. calimary Jun 2015 #143
Too long; didn't read shenmue Jun 2015 #192
Thanks, shenmue! I learn something new every day! calimary Jun 2015 #242
U welcome shenmue Jun 2015 #243
Wishful thinking. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Jun 2015 #3
I'm not sure this Kos Diary has enough exclamation points. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #4
It was edited by Elaine BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #24
OMG Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Snotcicles Jun 2015 #40
You just made an awesome thread (awesome for all the wrong reasons) even better. Number23 Jun 2015 #99
The first of 1000s of OPs to be titled in such manner treestar Jun 2015 #5
I thought that was a rule here passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #90
LOL Spazito Jun 2015 #6
... SidDithers Jun 2015 #7
Hey, you're back. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #35
Unfortunately. L0oniX Jun 2015 #37
Yep. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #43
+1000000 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #203
Hey, you're back!!! Number23 Jun 2015 #98
Thanks... SidDithers Jun 2015 #145
Good call.. some people have a sad that he's back.. Cha Jun 2015 #171
Welcome back, Sid. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #215
Everyone has an opinion, but boy is this one whacked OKNancy Jun 2015 #8
Want to elaborate? paleotn Jun 2015 #102
No, she's just passive aggressive passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #142
There's a lot of that going around here Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #207
Is the Daily Kos still around???? YAAAwwwnnnnnn! politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2015 #9
Wall o' text Fumesucker Jun 2015 #10
Ha! Ha!! Ha!!! Metric System Jun 2015 #11
Take comfort in this, Segami and Kos diarist carolinayellowdog Jun 2015 #13
I welcome their kick... Segami Jun 2015 #15
0% evidence, 0% reasoning, 100% aggressive disdain carolinayellowdog Jun 2015 #56
+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #19
You mean like the ...................oh forget it. George II Jun 2015 #61
Boy did you hit the nail on the head. passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #96
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #14
Me too. Hillary may have the political machinary and the Wall Street cash behind her, but, there's one thing she lacks that Bernie has bundles of, and that's genuineness. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #33
She has, over the years morphed into hifiguy Jun 2015 #66
You're right to wonder whether Hillary has any core convictions; I have as well. Highly doubtful. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #71
I believe that throughout her political career, she has assiduously followed the ladjf Jun 2015 #94
So true. Politicians demonstrate true leadership by doing what's right, even when it's not politically expedient, and convincing others to follow their lead... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #206
For instance, the signers of the Declaration of Independance knew full well ladjf Jun 2015 #208
^^^this^^^ L0oniX Jun 2015 #263
The Beltway claimed Romney was going to win because of his money too.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #59
No, and the American people can spot a phony a mike's away. Bernie is the genuine article and that too is patently obvious. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #74
Which is why we never had a president Perot or Forbes nt 7962 Jun 2015 #144
Bernie's message resonates with progressives apnu Jun 2015 #269
It's early. Most voters had not heard of Bernie six months ago. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #278
The BOLD OWW ellisonz Jun 2015 #16
Format needed smaller paragraphs. WinkyDink Jun 2015 #17
Started questioning the OP, here ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #18
Or the chapter on conformational bias? zeemike Jun 2015 #42
Well, Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #134
Well it is good to know you don't have it but others do. zeemike Jun 2015 #168
What are you talking about? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #228
The animals at Lion Country Safari think they are free too nolabels Jun 2015 #230
Yep, it's all about the $$$ Lilith Rising Jun 2015 #46
Read it again. TM99 Jun 2015 #85
Oh thank you passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #104
I agree ... Blinders and head-phones ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #151
sanders polls way better with women than men shaayecanaan Jun 2015 #221
There are PLENTY of Blacks, LGBT, and Women that support Sanders. stillwaiting Jun 2015 #233
More LGBT support Sanders marym625 Jun 2015 #273
Well said swilton Jun 2015 #147
Come on! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #149
Thank you so much for illustrating my point perfectly. TM99 Jun 2015 #196
Okay, I hear you - but to date I haven't heard Lilith Rising Jun 2015 #177
Sanders has addressed many of these issues over the years TM99 Jun 2015 #183
Thank you for the vids and links :) Lilith Rising Jun 2015 #185
You bet. TM99 Jun 2015 #190
+1 leftofcool Jun 2015 #87
TLDR Egnever Jun 2015 #20
Stop, stop. My sides are hurting. Hekate Jun 2015 #22
Good read. Owl Jun 2015 #23
Yeah I printed it out ronnykmarshall Jun 2015 #255
Bullshit. She can run for nomination without destroying her chance in the general election underpants Jun 2015 #25
Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats, living together! Mass hysteria! MyNameGoesHere Jun 2015 #26
One can only hope. Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #28
Did she even mention the environment or climate change? I did not have glinda Jun 2015 #29
yes, strongly.. even made a joke about Repubs saying "I'm not a scientist" OKNancy Jun 2015 #38
Strongly meaning..... glinda Jun 2015 #53
Why don't you gird your loins, pull up the speech, and listen to it, rather than noodge MADem Jun 2015 #62
Thanks MADem.. Those who want to be spoon fed need to pull themselves up by their Cha Jun 2015 #174
I would not be as rude to you as you are being to me. I have had a glinda Jun 2015 #204
Here is the transcript BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #73
thanks glinda Jul 2015 #275
Didn't quite do it for me... quickesst Jun 2015 #30
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #34
LMFAO L0oniX Jun 2015 #39
Oh lord thats hilarious 7962 Jun 2015 #52
See now, that's just disturbing. n/t Alkene Jun 2015 #60
Wow. I hadn't seen that gif since Breitbart died. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #64
OMG!!!! ROFL!!! Not since breitbart died! There's someone I sure don't miss! calimary Jun 2015 #125
Someone here is carrying a torch for him. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #129
.... appalachiablue Jun 2015 #65
Bwahahahaha!! JoePhilly Jun 2015 #250
Good essay - we need a Presidential candidate who stands for democratic ideals GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #32
K&R. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #36
According to some on DU ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #44
+1 obnoxiousdrunk Jun 2015 #51
I said it at the very beginning, the only person that can win/lose the presidency for HRC Rex Jun 2015 #55
Yep! leftofcool Jun 2015 #88
No Nance passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #146
You're forgetting ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #156
LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #161
Now, you see an example of appropriate placement. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #186
Huh? n/t NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #187
See your own post in Bernie group. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #188
Yeah, how dumb could I be? NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #193
Whoa. I was prepared to say SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #194
Your "tsk-tsk" snark ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #259
Go on !!! ronnykmarshall Jun 2015 #256
Hey, Ronny K!!! NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #260
I've seen that, too. And Bernie is the inevitable winner, too. DFW Jun 2015 #217
K&R MissDeeds Jun 2015 #47
Lol! zappaman Jun 2015 #48
Who are the 60 people who recced this thread so I can put them on ignore? Metric System Jun 2015 #57
And they're off!!!! George II Jun 2015 #58
In 2000, Bush and Gore were similar candidates demwing Jun 2015 #68
Follow up: In 2008 Bush ran hard to the right on every issue demwing Jun 2015 #70
I want to hear her say it's time to change the tax structures so the wealthy pay more passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #69
She said it today. okasha Jun 2015 #91
But it does not/won't matter. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #159
I guess what I really meant was passiveporcupine Jun 2015 #248
The old ladies in the local diner disagree... noel711 Jun 2015 #72
I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #76
Right now, Hillary looks "too big to fail" JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #77
Boldfacing does not substitute for paragraphs. MineralMan Jun 2015 #78
* L0oniX Jun 2015 #81
OK. Thanks. MineralMan Jun 2015 #105
Somebody alerted on that? SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #111
Hillary may have just WON this campaign wyldwolf Jun 2015 #79
OMG! That was funny! leftofcool Jun 2015 #89
Regardless of one's position, SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #106
It's all Greeked to me. MineralMan Jun 2015 #107
he found Molly . . . ucrdem Jun 2015 #121
Okay, that really did make me laugh out loud... Spazito Jun 2015 #139
Couldn't have said it better myself. Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #152
Perfect... SidDithers Jun 2015 #199
Consectetur adipiscing elit, festivus, iocosus, jocosus, lenunculus, ridicularius!!! JoePhilly Jun 2015 #251
She like Mitt is having an esoteric conversation with orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #80
Concern noted nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #82
KOS the once and future Republican strikes again! LMAO! leftofcool Jun 2015 #83
This is the main reason that I support Bernie. PatrickforO Jun 2015 #93
Including women, LGBT's, okasha Jun 2015 #116
That's just not true. TM99 Jun 2015 #198
Gay for Bernie here! m-lekktor Jun 2015 #202
Very doubtful. TPP is her ticket to ride and she took it yesterday... ucrdem Jun 2015 #101
oh give it up already... chillfactor Jun 2015 #108
I wonder how long ago this was written, okasha Jun 2015 #117
^This^ GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #119
I predict the TPP will have zero impact on whether Hillary is elected or not. DCBob Jun 2015 #124
I think it might just tip the scale. ucrdem Jun 2015 #126
Yeah.. good point but I meant in reference to Hillary's opinion about it. DCBob Jun 2015 #135
Ah the OP ... didn't realize it had a point. ucrdem Jun 2015 #141
It's about Sanders authenticity about solving problems vs.Hillary's charisma, and nothing changing YOHABLO Jun 2015 #157
Yup. zappaman Jun 2015 #162
she. Will do just fine Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #178
Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #184
Um, wishful thinking. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #189
You are 100% correct. davidn3600 Jun 2015 #214
To me that's like saying the Golden State Warriors lovemydog Jun 2015 #191
Any polling data to indicate TPP is the number one issue for most voters? BainsBane Jun 2015 #200
It is for labor activists and environmentalists eridani Jun 2015 #213
In my experience BainsBane Jun 2015 #223
And all of them are aware of TPP, and most all of them disapprove n/t eridani Jun 2015 #262
My, it must be amazing to be so omnicient BainsBane Jun 2015 #264
I have yet to meet a local Democrat who does canvassing that is in favor ot TPP eridani Jun 2015 #266
You live in one district BainsBane Jun 2015 #267
It isn't about just one speech. Clinton has supported "free" trade in the past eridani Jun 2015 #272
I'd be interested in knowing. I certainly know my voice is in the minority. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #225
I love how you confirm my view BainsBane Jun 2015 #237
Project much? raouldukelives Jun 2015 #270
Here is the point BainsBane Jun 2015 #271
Hey Bain, sorry for being rude to you. Yesterday was tough all around. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #274
kick yurbud Jun 2015 #201
"most every one of her supporters will acknowledge..." Gman Jun 2015 #210
Seems a bit hyperbolic. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #218
and what could have been a discussion of substance DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #219
K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #220
Hillary May Have Just LOST This Campaign ericthered1975 Jun 2015 #222
. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #229
Another day, another Hillary Clinton Whipping Post thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #232
Where Is She? colsohlibgal Jun 2015 #235
Right, I want a woman president too... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Jun 2015 #241
It doesn't matter what she says or does to many ultra-progressives. olegramps Jun 2015 #236
Last time I voted for the 3rd party, subject Jun 2015 #238
the absolutely best post of this thread LynneSin Jun 2015 #244
DailyKos' concern is duly noted. Beacool Jun 2015 #247
So I can stop paying attention? sofa king Jun 2015 #249
Remember when Rahm was gonna lose to Chuy, everyone? alcibiades_mystery Jun 2015 #257
I bet she'll lose sleep over THIS. 6000eliot Jun 2015 #265
Wishful thinking. Orsino Jun 2015 #268
FANtastic post. Best ever on the Hillary/Sanders contest. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #276
Thank goodness these Ad nauseam bashing HRC posts are now part of the GD Primaries group still_one Jul 2015 #277
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