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1. "A war president can't be progressive."

Reply to Ken Burch (Original post)

Sat Jun 13, 2015, 06:19 PM

Jun 2015

Uh, Franklin D. Roosevelt !

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With her speech today, HRC made herself the pro-slaughter candidate. [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2015 OP

"A war president can't be progressive." Horizens Jun 2015 #1

+1 - better response than mine! OKNancy Jun 2015 #3

Stop stating facts. Its not nice. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #4

If you consider WWII like the mess we are in now then I understand you being confused. nt Logical Jun 2015 #5

My good sir I may be confused on many things but at this moment I am not. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #7

FDR was great, but he was unable to do anything progressive domestically AFTER 12/7/41. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #11

Yet he was a progressive man. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #13

Yes. But not a progressive president after 1941. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #17

Very true but he did not do it in peace time as well. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #19

What else can "whatever it takes" mean? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #24

She is telling people she will defend this nation. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #28

FDR did "whatever it takes" to defend this nation OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #71

Is Hillary going to put Americans in camps? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #75

What's her position on domestic surveillance? OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #80

Are you saying she is going to put Americans in camps? i don't. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #85

Stop putting words in my mouth. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #94

You said. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #99

"Turn Japanese" as in give up your Fourth and Fifth Amendment rights. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #101

No i am not cool with killing Americans without trial. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #102

Educate me about what? OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #105

Hillary's positions on issues. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #106

Since you were content with Hillary doing "whatever it takes" to "defend the nation," OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #112

Never been to Chipotle. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #113

Put that right below "Hillary Clinton's position on domestic surveillance" OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #114

You do not know a damn thing about me. In any event this conversation is at an end. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #115

I know you're clueless about the candidate you're supporting. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #116

Why should we assume she wouldn't? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #118

Are you for real? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #119

If Obama is capable of keeping Gitmo open, why assume HRC would be above anything? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #121

Bye now. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #124

I'm sorry, but I can't restrain myself from posting this: Ken Burch Jun 2015 #138

No need to apologize. OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #162

He was very progressive in peace time. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #30

More war just raises the poverty levels at home. It enriches the MIC and Goldman-Sachs rhett o rick Jun 2015 #160

It could be, unless we fight like hell to stop it. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #164

Seems the neocons have influence in the Democratic Party. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #171

Thanks for that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #8

+1000 nt Logical Jun 2015 #79

The point wasn't a comparison of the wars Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #123

You reversed my meaning. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #174

That would be the FDR who said "Dr. New Deal has been replaced by Dr. Win-The War". Ken Burch Jun 2015 #6

Roosevelt established his progressive policies and set out in a progressive direction JDPriestly Jun 2015 #47

LOL but that's not what was said... Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #62

He was less progressive in his second term(and agreed, there was no excuse for that). Ken Burch Jun 2015 #82

He also was able to do things because he had a massive congress and a great depression... Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #168

Forcing 120,000 Japanese nationals and Japanese Americans OnyxCollie Jun 2015 #70

Uh, Nazi Germany truly posed an existential threat to everything good and decent cheapdate Jun 2015 #83

In 1932 FDR did not run as a war president dflprincess Jun 2015 #155

I rewrote the phrase you're mocking. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #188

Oh good grief OKNancy Jun 2015 #2

The best way to keep this country safe is to leave the rest of the world alone for once. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #9

+1 "leave the rest of the world alone" They don't have the guts to do that. L0oniX Jun 2015 #46

I watched the little ant doing the infinity sign on your post with that thought till I realized nightscanner59 Jun 2015 #65

Bernie doesn't the guts to do it either... brooklynite Jun 2015 #144

We have inadvertently provided weapons to groups like ISIS because of our excessive JDPriestly Jun 2015 #59

It wasn't inadvertent. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #64

Please pm me with the directions for that "smilie". Ken Burch Jun 2015 #74

It's right here, Enthusiast Jun 2015 #165

Indeed, it wasn't. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2015 #90

Thank you OKNancy! ellisonz Jun 2015 #12

When you say whatever it takes you include zeemike Jun 2015 #58

See post #66 Rex Jun 2015 #67

You miss the point. We have more important issues than spreading democracy in the Middle East. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #161

Yeah, like spreading democracy HERE in the USA, instead of digging us deeper into the hole of PatrickforO Jun 2015 #167

Exactly. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #170

If our leaders cared about "spreading democracy in the Middle East" Ken Burch Jun 2015 #175

Democracy isn't like peanut butter, you can't spread it. The best one can do is rhett o rick Jun 2015 #181

True. In this day and age, a country can only become democratic from within and from below. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #184

Americans want progressive domestic policy and... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #10

They don't want a perpetually massive war budget. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #15

Ok, but Americans very much want a strong defense. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #20

The best way to make this country more secure Ken Burch Jun 2015 #23

Which nations? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #29

A stronge defense, yes. Not a strong offense. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #56

The military budget is bloated and few would disagree unless they profit directly. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #69

Our military is not set up primarily for defense and hasn't been for a long time. A Simple Game Jun 2015 #93

"No war can ever be progressive or liberating again, and none can ever be feminist." OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #35

What's so weird about it? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #72

Go tell the people of BiH. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #100

Bosnia was twenty years ago, and that was a negotiated settlement, not any military victory. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #117

Oh bullshit. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #128

What is "trippy" about my definition of war? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #130

Yet you excuse WWII. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #131

I excuse that because wars can never have that effect again. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #142

Place All You Are Over OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #147

"PLACE ALL YOU ARE OVER"? is that a thing? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #150

You're confusing me. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #152

The difference between us is Ken Burch Jun 2015 #154

I didn't attack you. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #156

You've personally mocked me. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #158

This is the same attitude of the KKK XemaSab Jun 2015 #14

Exactly. Thank you for that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #16

+1000 BeanMusical Jun 2015 #108

this much we pledge -- and more... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #18

And with that, JFK doomed us to Vietnam. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #21

Name a Democratic president who felt differently? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #25

None did. And it's a tragedy that none did. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #27

Do you consider yourself a big 'D' Democrat? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #33

big-D and small-d. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #36

Gives me a better perspective of your ideology wyldwolf Jun 2015 #37

It's about both. BTW, I don't have an "ideology"-just sincere personal convictions. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #81

Christ on a trailer hitch, do you know nothing of context? He was a young WW II veteran.... Hekate Jun 2015 #32

George McGovern was a World War II veteran, too. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #84

Seems that JFK also doomed his own crew with negligence. L0oniX Jun 2015 #49

is there any candidate who disagrees with that ? JI7 Jun 2015 #22

Exactly...a mundane statement that every candidate will make at some point BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #53

No, this is just silly imo. nt Rex Jun 2015 #68

You know, this doesn't even come close to frazzled Jun 2015 #26

And that's probably OK.... daleanime Jun 2015 #40

I kind of doubt it frazzled Jun 2015 #51

So people should give you the benefit of a doubt..... daleanime Jun 2015 #55

I read the whole of the foreign policy section of the speech. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #145

I think he's trying the RDSL technique. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #103

Hillary Clinton madokie Jun 2015 #31

So you prefer a president who wouldn't do what ever it takes to keep this country safe? EX500rider Jun 2015 #34

I suspect most ordinary folks expect their leaders to keep them safe.../NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #38

Keeping us safe and going to war are 2 different things..It sounds movonne Jun 2015 #48

That does not even begin to surface in Hillary's statement treestar Jun 2015 #98

You are confusing political rhetoric with reality. They have nothing in common Jack Rabbit Jun 2015 #60

I'd prefer one who at least kept that within the bounds of morality and human decency. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #87

... SidDithers Jun 2015 #39

Concise and to the point. randome Jun 2015 #42

Hillary has sent DU over the collective edge... SidDithers Jun 2015 #44

Only ones who have a mind to lose, Sid. leveymg Jun 2015 #127

Like this? JoePhilly Jun 2015 #179

Only if Brad Pitt is available: freshwest Jun 2015 #194

Don't knock it! As it's a great place to practice creative writing skills and dramatic fiction: freshwest Jun 2015 #195

Well, maybe we should just PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #41

Oh good grief! leftofcool Jun 2015 #43

Unless you think Bernie Sanders is going to be an isolationist/pacifist brooklynite Jun 2015 #45

You mean the ones where he tells Middle Easern countries to fight their own battles? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #77

He won't see force as the default solution to most problems Ken Burch Jun 2015 #88

Funny, I thought she was working for President Oabama... brooklynite Jun 2015 #109

She hasn't been SoS since 2013. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #111

I love "it's pretty clear"... brooklynite Jun 2015 #140

Bernie is not versed on foreign affairs, lacks enough experience. He has not shown he is willing to Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #50

lol. bernie has served in Congress for 25 years, and his choices and decisions cali Jun 2015 #63

Then he has a problem and one of the responsibilities of a president is making the Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #73

you don't have to be a hawk to protect this country. people who vote for cali Jun 2015 #86

If you would have given the true story instead of the talking point we would discuss this further. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #95

Totally agree with you. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #110

I, for one, am confident Bernie is well versed on foreign affairs mountain grammy Jun 2015 #92

He will be elected, even if he gets the nomination he can't beat the republicans and he knows. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #151

Lol! zappaman Jun 2015 #52

K&R Cleita Jun 2015 #54

when's she ever met a war she didn't like? MisterP Jun 2015 #57

Another victim of Hillary Derangement Syndrome. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #61

So, hmmm...every MALE candidate has probably said that or would say that Rex Jun 2015 #66

Most of us are just as offended when a male candidate says things like that. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #120

You got a rat in your pocket? (n/t) OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #134

You seriously think that opposing HRC's militarism is the same thing as being Willard? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #146

They all say it, like "Gold bless America". You cannot mean to tell me the sloganeering Rex Jun 2015 #136

It's her JOB to prove that a woman can be a good Commander In Chief.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #76

Yes, yes, of course. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #78

She's a woman Depaysement Jun 2015 #89

FFS! Every candidate will say the same thing. MineralMan Jun 2015 #91

Every candidate will say they'll try to protect the country. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #133

So they all say it, but you attack her for saying it Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #180

I'd at least expect them to say "I won't launch the nukes first" Ken Burch Jun 2015 #182

There is no way I would take that statement that way treestar Jun 2015 #96

She still has the Scoop Jackson mindset. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #177

I get what you are saying. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #97

The HRC Warhawk Lives Up To Her Reputation cantbeserious Jun 2015 #104

All you Blind Faithful wanna come on in for the big win now ? orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #107

This type of anti-Hillary garbage has no place here. DCBob Jun 2015 #122

Not without some limits. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #125

So you assume she has no limits?? DCBob Jun 2015 #126

Based on what she backed in Haiti and Honduras, yes. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #129

She is a typical Democrat when it comes to national security. DCBob Jun 2015 #132

Most Democrats are not ok with abetting right-wing coups in the Americas Ken Burch Jun 2015 #173

Not sure how to break this to you, Bob, but Hillary supporters are in the minority here. leveymg Jun 2015 #135

Surprising since this is supposed to be a pro- Democratic site... DCBob Jun 2015 #141

Didn't really hit that one straight and center, Bob. leveymg Jun 2015 #148

I have no idea what you are implying.. DCBob Jun 2015 #149

You're the one who called the non-Hillary majority here "an infestation." leveymg Jun 2015 #153

That would be the McCarthy and RFK Democrats whose candidates took over 69.9% of the primary vote Ken Burch Jun 2015 #157

Ah yes...the bubble brooklynite Jun 2015 #143

at least they gave us this website JI7 Jun 2015 #163

Amen Brother! Well Said! 2banon Jun 2015 #137

I am convinced Hillary or any of the GOP will keep the US in perpetual war. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #139

she lifted that line directly from the boilerplate republican speech. let's see which duers cheer Doctor_J Jun 2015 #159

You're right, Ken. If we are to EVER have hope for social, economic and environmental justice, PatrickforO Jun 2015 #166

It didn't start with this speech, Ken TBF Jun 2015 #169

You'd think she'd remember how badly the "vaporize Iran" stance backfired on her. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #172

Well I'm pro Slaughter too ...Mark Slaughter. L0oniX Jun 2015 #176

And yet we have Bernie, has access to security briefings but overlooks any action to halt ISIS. WTH Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #178

We can't do anything to stop ISIS. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #185

Well, it just may be our fight. we have already had the two guys in Texas, maybe just wannabes but Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #186

What do you want us to do? Put boots on the ground in every Arab/Muslim country? Ken Burch Jun 2015 #187

Pssssssst: She's clueless about domestic issues also. Smarmie Doofus Jun 2015 #183

Yeah! Who cares about criminal justice reform... brooklynite Jun 2015 #189

None of which can happen in an adminstration that keeps an interventionist foreign policy going. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #193

I guess that the hyperbole in this place will continue until the election. Beacool Jun 2015 #190

"Whatever it takes" is the same thing as saying "I agree with Cheney on foreign policy". Ken Burch Jun 2015 #192

Unrec. Your hyperbole got out and is running all around the forum! FSogol Jun 2015 #191