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In reply to the discussion: Hillary Clinton's Hair [View all]JonLP24
(29,929 posts)The Iraq war speech on the Senate floor is the most memorable example. I've seen her give some fiery speeches my most memorable example is from around the same time passionately shouting criticism over Republicans calling anti-Iraq war rhetoric unpatriotic. She also opened the Iraq war Senate statement with the same thing criticizing the calling of anti-Iraq war protesters unpatriotic and mentioned that the "great dissenters" have often been proven right in history which comes off as prophetic. There wasn't much of a problem I had with the overall statements of what she said except for the slamming of Russia over their lack of support on the UN Security Council over the Bosnian wars and the huge thing was "biological weapons" labs. She says no she "made a mistake" but at-best it is poor judgment -- however I doubt she isn't aware of 'the program'. The Clinton Foundation proves that.
I could take a very long time going over all my problems or things I favor about her but this is about public speaking talent which she has a lot of. She is very strong going against opponents like she took a question about her "pants on fire" false statement on Bosnia and turned that into that was '1 of however countries I have visited highlighting my foreign policy experience that will stand up to McCain.
I certainly do agree she is competent and well-informed (though it depends on what the issue or stance she is taking is) though the experience is a problem. I think Obama showed his inexperience by listening to people with experience though I can't tell what his intentions are he has remarkable did 180s giving strong defenses of both sides of the coin. The "mandate" is a good example for a Hillary Clinton thread.
I didn't hear a lot of the Presidents before Clinton give speeches but from what I read anyway Lyndon Johnson gave great speeches and now that was someone who knew our system of government very well. There are two kinds, the designed it is intended for and the reality of what it is. Such an opportunistic that knew where and how to pick his spots and was very much part of 'the program' -- though I read Truman gave poor speeches but somehow delivered the some of the best ever quotes though he is the last President that I fully trust his ethics. Jimmy Carter I do a lot and a foreign policy that puts "human rights at the forefront" should be the only kind of foreign policy the US should have.
The biggest thing is this when it comes to knowing the system of government and positive reforms. Since pretty much everything is carefully presented and words or anything really for the cameras is for appences -- what matters is what is being said in closed doors, private phone calls to foreign governments, the kind of cabinet members, what lobbyists & advisers and the sort of advice & influence they have. This is where serving business interests over the people comes into play but the unknown unknowns interest me or the known unknowns.