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JDPriestly

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112. This speech reflects some of the values that Bernie Sanders has expressed and lived so well.
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:42 AM
Jun 2015

It encourages me to know that both Hillary and Bernie agree on some of the basic values and changes that we need to make real.

I like this part of Hillary's speech when she talks about her mother's advice.

"I can still hear her saying: “Life’s not about what happens to you, it’s about what you do with what happens to you – so get back out there.”

That may be an attitude common among Methodists, a religion that was founded on preaching to the poor and lifting up the poor.

My mother said it this way: "It isn't what you have that matters but what you do with what you have."

As Hillary said, she needs to flesh out her program. Bernie is explicit and quick to explain precisely how he would find funds to realize the programs he believes are important. Hillary needs to be explicit and provide those details in her turn.

One difference I notice between Hillary's and Bernie's approaches is this.

Hillary says:

"Our next President must work with Congress and every other willing partner across our entire country. And I will do just that -- to turn the tide so these currents start working for us more than against us."

She calls on people to volunteer for her campaign.

In contrast, Bernie is pointing out that what is needed is not just a president who works with Congress but a huuuge movement of Americans demanding that Congress support the changes that Bernie (and to some extent Hillary) are advocating for. I like Bernie's approach on this better. Hillary needs to be more clear on this. I do not think that a president alone, and especially not someone like Hillary who is such an insider with so many friends in top positions in business as well as government, can confront our corrupt Congress and represent the American people forcefully enough on her or his own. I agree with Bernie. It isn't just going to take a village or even a well organized election campaign. It is going to take a well organized ongoing movement, a mass of awakened citizens to push the D.C. establishment to change government and our social and economic structure to meet the needs of Americans in the 21st century.

I note that Hillary says nothing about single payer healthcare insurance. She did not mention a public option. It will be interesting to know what she says about that and how she proposes (if she does) to lower the costs of health care. (Cutting some of the profits of our health insurance companies and of pharmaceutical company investors would be a good starting place.)

Hillary is weak on the Citizens United issues. She hedges and avoids calling outright for the kinds of strong changes we need in campaign finance. I don't trust her on that issue after reading her cautious language on it in this speech. It is easy to call for change. We need very definite prohibitions on certain kinds of campaign financing. And above all, we need to change corporation law in this country. We have sort of accepted Delaware's very pro-corporate rules on this, and we need to change some of our definitions and laws in that area.

I don't recall that she said anything about Glass-Steagall or about the Telecommunications Act or the welfare reform bills that her husband signed and that have harmed our society.

Also, Hillary's comments about funding college are vague. What is her plan on that?

But there is time for her to clarify her stances on these issues.

I support Bernie, but I want to be fair to Hillary.

I'm glad she didn't sing for her audience. I know voices. She has a bit of a problem there. Your voice is all in your breathing and then in the mechanics of producing sound. But your voice reflects who you are and how integrated your outer persona and your inner feelings are. Hillary's voice is a bit harsh. And her stances on military issues also seem a bit hard. That's rather personal criticism, but let it be understood by those who can hear and know about voice production. It isn't a mean or snide remark. It is my ears working. I'm not so good at commenting on how people look. But I do hear personalities in voices.
It's how I relate to the world. Bernie's New York accent tells a lot about him too.

This is going to be an interesting campaign. I will be interested in hearing and watching how Hillary fleshes out her proposals and moves from this list of goals, very general as it is, to proposals for means to achieving her ends.

Most important. Where does she propose to obtain the money for the programs she proposes? Who is going to be called upon to pay and how much will they be required to pay? Bernie is very clear on each proposal as to just how he plans to fund it.


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Really? gopiscrap Jun 2015 #1
No, it was all a jedi mind trick demwing Jun 2015 #41
I wish Clinton hadn't repealed Glass-Steagall~ RiverLover Jun 2015 #53
The repeal was a pre-cursor that enabled our bank$ter/terrorists to attack the American people.n/t jtuck004 Jun 2015 #67
If only the attack was over. It ain't over! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #97
Yup. And we keep handing them their ammo, that we worked for. $$$. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2015 #100
I burst out laughing at that Aerows Jun 2015 #92
Nose beer, and it burns. Bubbles. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #98
LMFAOROTFLOL L0oniX Jun 2015 #125
She forgot the anti. sendero Jun 2015 #2
Exactly! RiverLover Jun 2015 #6
I will never ever forgive NAFTA. EVER. roguevalley Jun 2015 #78
Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #99
What you said. Octafish Jun 2015 #3
I have been banned from the HC group because I said her speech was disappointing. Cleita Jun 2015 #9
Democracy, like ''Prosperity can’t be just for CEOs and hedge fund managers.'' Octafish Jun 2015 #18
Well written nichomachus Jun 2015 #89
Far fucking out! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #102
This speech reflects some of the values that Bernie Sanders has expressed and lived so well. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #112
Ha. Don't feel bad. I'm a Bernie supporter and got banned from in there because I dared jtuck004 Jun 2015 #65
Me too. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #101
Appeal it. joshcryer Jun 2015 #111
Doesn't matter. Cleita Jun 2015 #120
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #4
+1...nt SidDithers Jun 2015 #5
In the virtual flesh. nt Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #33
Jury results zappaman Jun 2015 #85
I was in that jury BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #87
This message was self-deleted by its author MerryBlooms Jun 2015 #86
Incredible hide... joshcryer Jun 2015 #110
Fine with me!! RiverLover Jun 2015 #7
I would certainly think so. Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #32
I was alive during FDR's time and Clinton was no FDR. Cleita Jun 2015 #8
^^^ THIS ^^^ I to lived through that. What we need now is someone who believes in the FDR jwirr Jun 2015 #11
+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #104
Thank you, so much, for this bit of living history. RiverLover Jun 2015 #14
+1 million LittleBlue Jun 2015 #17
The truth will always come out MissDeeds Jun 2015 #35
I was also alive when FDR was president, pangaia Jun 2015 #46
Oh wow! That is VERY cool! RiverLover Jun 2015 #49
I also have a photo of her with Will Rogers on the steps of a DC-2 pangaia Jun 2015 #51
How lucky was your mom to have known her in person. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #60
Yes, she was. If you like, see my other reply, just above yours... pangaia Jun 2015 #66
You're beautiful. RiverLover Jun 2015 #75
Me? Beautiful? uhh.... pangaia Jun 2015 #77
Stop it! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #105
OK. pangaia Jun 2015 #119
Those were rough, but interesting times davidpdx Jun 2015 #93
If you want a historical read about the turn of the century up to the roaring twenties. Cleita Jun 2015 #95
I am so with you, Cleita. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #103
I was very little when I heard his radio addresses fadedrose Jun 2015 #10
Eleanor was a big influence on me because I used to read all her news articles when I was Cleita Jun 2015 #12
Never thought about that fadedrose Jun 2015 #13
Warren is feisty. And has goodness & common sense FDR principles to her core. RiverLover Jun 2015 #15
Like what? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #28
Her proposed "21st Century Glass-Steagall" RiverLover Jun 2015 #63
Even though she admits that was just to get attention wyldwolf Jun 2015 #68
Bwahahahahah ...what a pant load. L0oniX Jun 2015 #16
Isn't it though? Yikes. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #29
Explain Glass-Steagall to those who may be unfamiliar with it. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #19
Yes, let's talk about Glass-Steagall TBF Jun 2015 #20
The purpose of Glass-Steagall was to prevent investment banks, insurers and retail banks... wyldwolf Jun 2015 #21
It was to prevent them from using your federally insured savings account to gamble with n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #56
Interesting, though, the banks that caused the financial meltdown wouldn't have been subject to it. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #61
Yep. It affected commercial banks like BofA, Wells Fargo, Citibank etc n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #64
Yes, that's a nice regurgitation of Geithner's buddies' positions, and its patently false. RiverLover Jun 2015 #70
Warren never said what I posted? And Warren never corrected the record? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #71
Freddie/Fannie had little to do with the crisis Mnpaul Jun 2015 #121
No one has said or implied what you're claiming wyldwolf Jun 2015 #123
We should ask Brooksley Born what her take is on all of this. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #43
Brooksley is a very smart lady - TBF Jun 2015 #80
After the fact, but very telling Snotcicles Jun 2015 #82
GS kept the Banksters from playing at the Wall Street casino with taxpayer-backed deposits. Octafish Jun 2015 #23
yes, that was part of it. Was it repealed? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #25
Yes. It was repealed by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, signed into law by Pres. Clinton in 1999. Octafish Jun 2015 #30
The Gramm-Leach-Biley Act only repealed part of the Glass-Steagal but I bet.. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #31
No, not accurate at all. Rex Jun 2015 #44
Ted Kennedy voted for The Gramm-Leach-Biley Act?? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #47
That does seem strange. Rex Jun 2015 #54
In fact, it looks like it passed quite easily with Democrats. But what about the courts? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #58
Looking at state surpreme court rulings Rex Jun 2015 #79
From Wiki wyldwolf Jun 2015 #81
So this has (banks and courts) been going on for a very long time, thanks I did not know that. Rex Jun 2015 #83
Great info Octafish. We'll see if mainstream media remembers our history, Bill's history. RiverLover Jun 2015 #50
The Bottom Line is Money for the Connected Cronies. Octafish Jun 2015 #126
Oh, yes indeed! Maedhros Jun 2015 #22
Honestly, both Clinton's are the mirror opposite of FDR. 99Forever Jun 2015 #24
+1000000 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #36
Sadly that is the truth - TBF Jun 2015 #117
Really? FDR jailed 1/4 of the AA population by over policing them?!? onecaliberal Jun 2015 #26
Don't know what you mean. Cleita Jun 2015 #34
Clinton admitted his policy has led to the unintended onecaliberal Jun 2015 #37
Okay. Your post wasn't clear to me. Cleita Jun 2015 #38
And the "unintended consequence" of huge profits for the prison industry. arcane1 Jun 2015 #57
I don't know if they realized the extent onecaliberal Jun 2015 #62
Now go look at what Eleanor did. jwirr Jun 2015 #118
Your concern is noted. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #27
Do you have anything of substance to add to the conversation? EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2015 #55
Hillary, you really want to know who's has been continually emulating the next FDR? Bernie Sanders!! DrBulldog Jun 2015 #39
Ditto. SoapBox Jun 2015 #59
+1 appalachiablue Jun 2015 #84
Let's not forget his welfare deform azurnoir Jun 2015 #40
Or The Telecommunications Act of 1996. nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #45
From F.D.R. to Hillary? What a fuckin' joke. Hoppy Jun 2015 #42
Yeah, that's a bit of a stretch. MissDeeds Jun 2015 #48
Rec'd ibewlu606 Jun 2015 #52
FDR in the DLC? moondust Jun 2015 #69
That would be distant cousin Theodore Roosevelt, not Franklin. Cleita Jun 2015 #72
I agree. bvar22 Jun 2015 #74
This whole campaign is going to be vomit-inducing Doctor_J Jun 2015 #73
+1 n/t whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #107
My mom always said you can't get something really clean until it gets really dirty. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #116
Hillary, bvar22 Jun 2015 #76
Sandy Weill of Travellers Insurance and Citi was absolutely at the head of the pack to appalachiablue Jun 2015 #88
Did she really say "footsteps?" nichomachus Jun 2015 #90
Her actual words were RiverLover Jun 2015 #91
+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #106
She should be very careful about praising her husband's administration given some of the davidpdx Jun 2015 #94
This is what I object to the most. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #96
Excellent post. Excellent article. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #108
Exactly. RiverLover Jun 2015 #114
The Clintons offering this speech at the FDR Memorial DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #109
Well said. RiverLover Jun 2015 #115
Her hypocrisy is an affront to any thinking Democrat. Scuba Jun 2015 #113
Like how he triangulated at the expense of people on welfare? Fail. nt daredtowork Jun 2015 #122
FDR would have signed off on the repeal of GS too? L0oniX Jun 2015 #124
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