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BumRushDaShow

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89. The unspoken thing here
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 07:50 AM
Jun 2015

is that Sanders is Jewish. And historically, in many urban areas (particularly in neighborhoods that were segregated and became almost 100% black), often the only "white" person folks had day to day contact with happened to be of Jewish heritage/religion, who often owned a little store in the neighborhood and interacted freely with the neighborhood customers without the racial animus that the community was accustomed to. The inter-cultural dynamic during the '50s and '60s, became symbiotic, as Jews were under vicious attack along with blacks, so there was a mutual oppressive experience going on with both groups and their relationships offered a level of "protection" for each other. My mother would tell me stories about what was going on during the WWII era when she was in high school where a number of European Jews had immigrated here to Philly and some were attending her high school. And at that time, she said that the the other white girls (back then there were essentially only 2 black girls per grade at that school) would beat up the Jewish girls and the black girls would come to their defense. Thus a number of Jews joined blacks in the Civil Rights movement at the time, in order to bring about equality for all - regardless of race or religion.

But as we moved forward in time, the relationship between the communities became more and more estranged as the European Jews began to assimilate into the larger white population and moved out to the suburbs, while blacks were left behind, unable to live in those suburbs by law or stipulation of the development's owner - and this notably included famous developments owned by families like the Levitts, who refused to sell homes to blacks -

Hopes Dissipated For Black Americans

Another paradox was that although Levittown was built for World War II veterans, who had fought tyranny and racism, its doors were opened to at least one former German U-boat sailor, while black American soldiers were turned away.

''Because Levittown promised affordable housing, with no down payment, it offered hope to the African-American working class when no other community did -- but that hope was quashed,'' said Dr. Barbara M. Kelly, Hofstra University's director of Long Island Studies. ''After the war, blacks thought things had changed, but they hadn't, and Levittown became a microcosm of that frustration.''

The role of the developer, the late William J. Levitt, is debated. He defended his actions as following the social customs of the era.

''The Negroes in America are trying to do in 400 years what the Jews in the world have not wholly accomplished in 600 years,'' he once wrote. ''As a Jew, I have no room in my mind or heart for racial prejudice. But I have come to know that if we sell one house to a Negro family, then 90 or 95 percent of our white customers will not buy into the community. This is their attitude, not ours. As a company, our position is simply this: We can solve a housing problem, or we can try to solve a racial problem, but we cannot combine the two.''


http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/28/nyregion/at-50-levittown-contends-with-its-legacy-of-bias.html


The estrangement often tipped into paternalism when interactions did occur, although generally, the two groups still shared and continue to share, many similar experiences and frustrations. But I think the underlying dynamic cannot be dismissed as it will impact on how our community views the candidates. In essence, each group focuses on what is needed for their own survival under this system of oppression and in our case, the worldviews, as well as the means and methods for solutions, diverge considerably.

The idea that any "focus on blacks" means effectively "driving whites away" from <fill in the blank>, is a multi-century issue and a disgrace that this nation continues to refuse to address. And until this is addressed somehow, very little change will happen. And many of us in the black community are almost always left with supporting the "lesser of evils".

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Oh, the smear campaign has started. That's what they do. djean111 Jun 2015 #1
You mean like the inane non policy, posts posted all morning regarding HRC? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #16
I don't know where you are looking but I don't see a negative OP about HRC Autumn Jun 2015 #17
Yep...not only OP...but shitting on HRC threads. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #19
I'll have to take your word for it. I'm not going into any of those threads Autumn Jun 2015 #23
Shitting on HRC threads? There's a bubble around your little protected space. leveymg Jun 2015 #51
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #52
Look at the larger picture. Who's really about Big Lies and inflating memes here? leveymg Jun 2015 #54
Yes, there is an OP now on DU that smacks of that implication now. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #2
Yes, Bernie has been speaking about the elephant in the room forever 2banon Jun 2015 #43
I'm ok with how he is approaching it, from the perspective of a candidate running for Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #62
I had not read Caroline Kennedy's letter.. heard about it on NPR I think, 2banon Jun 2015 #63
It'll only make your head hurt to read it. Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #66
Amen to both! 2banon Jun 2015 #71
Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Detest Criticism - Ergo, The Henchmen Are Called In cantbeserious Jun 2015 #3
+1 Shareholder financed thugs. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #7
...then they fight you... HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #4
May it be so in this case especially. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #18
let them pile it on clydefrand Jun 2015 #5
It boggles the mind how democrats supposedly want to get onecaliberal Jun 2015 #6
Are they Dems...the ones attacking? How can one be so sure? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #9
Good question. They profess to be voting for someone who is seeking the democratic nomination onecaliberal Jun 2015 #21
This is an site with anonomous posters. Few use their real names. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #38
Oh yeah...... daleanime Jun 2015 #8
This is the equivalent of a chin high fast ball in politics Cosmocat Jun 2015 #10
You mean like the fact that Hillary is a war monger with the blood of 1,000,000+ KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #44
Ok Cosmocat Jun 2015 #50
You've got to be kidding. cui bono Jun 2015 #72
OK Cosmocat Jun 2015 #90
K&R for GAME PLAYING we are tired of seeing during the primaries… MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #11
The candidate who shall not be named cannot talk about her economic plans onecaliberal Jun 2015 #22
I don't know that anyone is willing to "believe", one... MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #40
It's hard to believe someone who won't answer questions. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #46
+1 Snotcicles Jun 2015 #42
Thank G-d for Faux News attacks... HoosierCowboy Jun 2015 #12
What, you think it's just fox? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #80
It's gonna backfire on them - TBF Jun 2015 #13
yes I think I've seen something like that somewhere.............. azurnoir Jun 2015 #14
Call Gutierrez at 202-225-8203 Indepatriot Jun 2015 #15
yes, and thanks. :) 2banon Jun 2015 #58
congressman whatshisname was out of line. He thought he was being clever bigtree Jun 2015 #20
Thank you. One of the biggest problems is that this is a primary campaign. Candidates talk to jwirr Jun 2015 #27
that's a very good point about minorities bigtree Jun 2015 #30
Exactly. Like me they are worried about feeding their children, health issues, having a roof over jwirr Jun 2015 #32
yep bigtree Jun 2015 #34
I find it sad MuseRider Jun 2015 #61
Thank you. I think we will be hearing about all the issues soon. jwirr Jun 2015 #64
Why is critiquing policy issues not being addressed on the stump BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #24
Because it's disingenuous petulance. HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #25
Disagree mightily BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #26
Do you even know what petulance means? HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #28
Can you even address what I just wrote? nt BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #29
Of course not, because that might require owning up to that shitty stab at Latinos and NuclearDem Jun 2015 #31
In essence BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #37
Addressing what you wrote requires your knowing what petulence means HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #36
O'Rly? BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #41
^^^That^^^ onecaliberal Jun 2015 #48
Um, what has that war criminal Hillary had to say on the subject of Black Lives Matter or KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #56
Do you see a Hillary avatar on my account? BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #60
I wish I could rec this post. sheshe2 Jun 2015 #84
I talked about how some Sanders supporters are doing the "But he was in the March on Washington!!1" Number23 Jun 2015 #86
The unspoken thing here BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #89
Wow, so just denigrate people who believe their concerns need to be addressed? bettyellen Jun 2015 #39
I have no problem with people expressing concerns but that's not what Gutierrez did. HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #70
But you did denigrate people who want "their special interest groups named" - which is a bizarre way bettyellen Jun 2015 #81
do the internet dickish hyperbole routine, but I commented on one person HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #82
wondering aloud if Sanders doesn't like immigrants is pretty fucking far from critiquing policy frylock Jun 2015 #47
Did my post say anything even close to what you just wrote? BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #49
take another look at the OP, sport.. frylock Jun 2015 #55
Hey "sport" BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #57
Do you even know who Bernie Sanders is, or what policy positions he holds? frylock Jun 2015 #65
The better question that you should ask is whether urban American BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #67
You are exactly right that the messaging needs work. cui bono Jun 2015 #73
Agree! BumRushDaShow Jun 2015 #75
They can't attack inconsistencies in his record and words, so they try to marginalize him. Avalux Jun 2015 #33
I'm also sickened by it matt819 Jun 2015 #35
Pot meet kettle. nt William769 Jun 2015 #45
Please provide an example of a congressperson or national media personality Maedhros Jun 2015 #59
+1 cui bono Jun 2015 #78
One tactic that works fadedrose Jun 2015 #53
President Kerry says that ignoring attacks is by far the best strategy Fumesucker Jun 2015 #68
I don't think he was running for real, just as a favor fadedrose Jun 2015 #76
Absolute nonsense karynnj Jun 2015 #83
right Cosmocat Jun 2015 #91
What other candidate is it working well for and are you talking about lies cui bono Jun 2015 #74
Negatives must be proven fadedrose Jun 2015 #77
That does not answer anything I asked. n/t cui bono Jun 2015 #79
Bernie will take the high road. Glassunion Jun 2015 #69
I welcome it. It means that someone *HRC* is feeling worried. morningfog Jun 2015 #85
Bernie is the first real populist we've had in the Democratic primary for many years. PatrickforO Jun 2015 #87
Running for President is tough treestar Jun 2015 #88
Weak Sauce. If you're not up for atual debate, maybe you should quit. Indepatriot Jun 2015 #92
It's funny how much criticism of Obama and Hillary is treestar Jun 2015 #93
Did I infer a "smear"? no I did not. At any point in the OP was it stated that Mr. Sanders Indepatriot Jun 2015 #94
Well his supporters are treestar Jun 2015 #95
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