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Martin Eden

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162. You can hope HRC is not as militaristic as she sounds

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 08:31 AM

Jun 2015

But her actual record says otherwise.

Every indicator points to a more aggressive military policy than the current president.

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Listening to Hillary's speech today, where have we heard this before? [View all] leveymg Jun 2015 OP

We do not need another fucking war. winter is coming Jun 2015 #1

+1 daleanime Jun 2015 #68

+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Jun 2015 #95

+1,000,000 rosesaylavee Jun 2015 #139

She sounds like that guy with the bullhorn at the WTC site. bvar22 Jun 2015 #191

We don't need any other war, Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #193

America is overdue for a new direction. The one in which Bernie's moral compass is pointed. Gregorian Jun 2015 #2

+1 n/t MissDeeds Jun 2015 #4

I'd actually prefer Bill to Hillary... jimlup Jun 2015 #10

I agree with your wife. n/t zentrum Jun 2015 #100

Hilary is working with a broken compass Dragonfli Jun 2015 #39

plenty of us feel your pain AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #42

Thank you, but honestly, I am at the point where I just keep hoping each month Dragonfli Jun 2015 #54

i'm doing okay financially, but DesertFlower Jun 2015 #118

A wonderful, eloquent post. hifiguy Jun 2015 #75

Yup. zentrum Jun 2015 #102

Indeed. Maedhros Jun 2015 #141

You don't want more endless war and hifiguy Jun 2015 #152

I call myself an RFK Democrat Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #159

Thank you for taking the time to put your thoughts down like this. Gregorian Jun 2015 #103

You have eloquently stated Thespian2 Jun 2015 #107

Thanks for an eloquent post. hay rick Jun 2015 #116

We Need To Stop Neo-Liberalism! Rockyj Jun 2015 #121

*********^^^^^^^ T H I S ^^^^^^^^********* MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #132

So much win in this post. Myrina Jun 2015 #188

Loud and clear - thank you. 840high Jun 2015 #79

Amen! secondwind Jun 2015 #160

Yeah, I felt the same way listening to that marym625 Jun 2015 #3

She's not against citizens united. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #87

Just quoting marym625 Jun 2015 #88

Yes, actions, not words. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #89

Doing the Bernie Bounce! marym625 Jun 2015 #90

Me too! onecaliberal Jun 2015 #91

Love it! marym625 Jun 2015 #92

It's all there if you read between the lines. eom Cleita Jun 2015 #5

The reality is that her foreign policy signature FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #6

It's on Haiti, too. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #122

I heard the Hawkishness too. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #7

I fear she'll zentrum Jun 2015 #105

It is just another clydefrand Jun 2015 #8

Good point. Bernie's speeches 840high Jun 2015 #80

Forboding. Portent. Harbinger. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #9

Don't say she didn't warn us. n/t leveymg Jun 2015 #11

That got me feeling a bit sick to my stomach, literally. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #14

Cold-blooded and enjoys showing it. That was my reaction to an earlier remark she made as SoS> leveymg Jun 2015 #16

:( SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #36

nope Vattel Jun 2015 #73

i have a friend who said she feels "hillary could DesertFlower Jun 2015 #114

I think that perception is distributed among members of both parties of both genders. leveymg Jun 2015 #125

my choice is bernie, but if she DesertFlower Jun 2015 #127

I wish I really believed that. Paka Jun 2015 #137

you and me both paka roguevalley Jun 2015 #175

I know three republican women who said they will vote for her. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #187

It's political Depaysement Jun 2015 #149

"Men" are not responsible for Hillary's character flaws. The very claim is infantilizing. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #170

Really now Depaysement Jun 2015 #171

I agree roguevalley Jun 2015 #176

I'm so sick of reruns n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #12

Its a simple question..... Segami Jun 2015 #13

+1 AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #46

+1,000,000 donf Jun 2015 #201

Lovely. Fan the flames of militarism and address us as if we are fearful cowards. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #15

Well, why not! SoapBox Jun 2015 #20

Yes...and with crucial negotiations going on with Iran (Obama/Kerry) KoKo Jun 2015 #63

Great post. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #69

She's as diplomatic as Attila the Hun. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #81

She is trying to appeal to Republicans. Not a one of them will vote for her. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #104

at age 73 i'm from hillary's generation too -- DesertFlower Jun 2015 #120

me 2 roguevalley Jun 2015 #177

The only thing we have to fear, is thought itself. Octafish Jun 2015 #17

So your recommendation to Bernie Sanders is to ignore foreign policy altogether? brooklynite Jun 2015 #18

No, to borrow a phrase (and to contradict Hillary), "Don't do stupid stuff" is a foreign policy. leveymg Jun 2015 #19

+1. Obama did change course on Iran, to his credit and I wish Clinton had not Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #47

WHO said ignore foreign policy? pangaia Jun 2015 #24

We're tired of listening to foreign policy and talk of wars. PADemD Jun 2015 #26

Your Straw Man machine must be working overtime nt nichomachus Jun 2015 #30

and this means what roguevalley Jun 2015 #178

How in the world did you come up with that? rhett o rick Jun 2015 #40

I'll take the candidate who doesn't vote to annihilate nations in order to "look tough." Scootaloo Jun 2015 #74

No...just to reject the idea that foreign policy Ken Burch Jun 2015 #123

Funny how that applies to our own country too. Nt F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #151

I'm pretty sure your education and experience(s) far exceed mine as I'm just a poor working blue ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #182

Sounds so Republican to me. zeemike Jun 2015 #21

Well, if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck . . . donf Jun 2015 #202

Enough Clinton's and Bush's - we can do better as a country. jalan48 Jun 2015 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author ladjf Jun 2015 #23

Well, on the plus side, she's more erudite than Dubya. [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #25

"I�ll do whatever it takes to keep Americans safe" � Yeah, because that's HORRIBLE. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #27

I had to read your heading three times to realize it was sarcastic starroute Jun 2015 #33

Another strawman. arcane1 Jun 2015 #35

you are ignoring her words with your remarks intending roguevalley Jun 2015 #180

"Great nations need organizing principles - 'Don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle" leveymg Jun 2015 #37

Trouble is, anyone who thinks that probably also accepts the idea Ken Burch Jun 2015 #59

Well, we've always been at war with Eastasia. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #86

AND Eurasia. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #101

Lol, yes. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #106

The problem is, that phrase means "bear any burden, fight any foe"(graphic image/trigger alert) Ken Burch Jun 2015 #51

bill draft dodged that war roguevalley Jun 2015 #181

I've always remembered that, even though he dodged, he never once defended the antiwar movement Ken Burch Jun 2015 #197

Right out of Smirk's standard speech Doctor_J Jun 2015 #58

''Money trumps peace.'' -- pretzeldent George W Bush, Feb. 14, 2007 Octafish Jun 2015 #112

Yeah, it is HORRIBLE. cui bono Jun 2015 #142

President Hillary Clinton would make us LESS SAFE Martin Eden Jun 2015 #161

There are threats!!! Ooooooo...I'm so scared here in the land of the free, home of the brave!! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #184

How is it living in a world of rainbows and unicorns? NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #194

It's great. At least I'm not afraid of my own shadow. nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #198

At least some of us aren't hopelessly naive. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #200

Yea, that's it! I'm hopelessly naive... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #204

Not a big Hillary fan but... moondust Jun 2015 #28

That's what I was thinking she was doing: trying not to look weak; I don't think she was C Moon Jun 2015 #52

trying to sound like a Republican, you mean. Doctor_J Jun 2015 #62

Yeah, pretty much. I'm not defending what she said, again I think she is trying not to look weak. C Moon Jun 2015 #67

I can understand moondust Jun 2015 #111

You can hope HRC is not as militaristic as she sounds Martin Eden Jun 2015 #162

This is very unfair of you nichomachus Jun 2015 #29

Sadly NYC is not home to legal mary jane as of yet, or it might have worked.... peacebird Jun 2015 #34

That part struck me, too....Why the "Enemies/Adversaries" Dig? KoKo Jun 2015 #31

You have been very successful in pointing out a big weakness Bernie has. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #32

Hasn't shown complete attention to the ISIS situation?? retrowire Jun 2015 #38

ISIS isn't just a problem in the heart of Islam, he is able to get security briefings and if this is Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #45

... retrowire Jun 2015 #93

I don't buy this argument. How many times has ISIS attacked in the USA? DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #99

We are waste deep in mud and going deeper because of the advise of the foreign policy mandarins. leveymg Jun 2015 #43

Fire the ones who created ISIS? yep this would coreect the problem if we could just fire those who Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #48

Do you really want me to answer that question? leveymg Jun 2015 #56

If your answer is reasonable then we could discuss, to be honest with you, firing the ones who Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #72

Okay. Let's go back to early 2011 . . . actually one of the ISIS creators was fired. His name was leveymg Jun 2015 #76

Discussion is over. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #82

I merely quoted the NYT, Reuters, Times of London, and you have nothing to say? leveymg Jun 2015 #84

"What are you afraid of?" NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #97

it's over because you say so roguevalley Jun 2015 #183

And do you understand the why? Depaysement Jun 2015 #146

right ablamj Jun 2015 #77

Some of them are seeking higher office or, in the alternative, public rehabilitation. leveymg Jun 2015 #83

Already naming off enemies and "allies" AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #41

Russia ...the new entree into the axis of evil ...a cold war loving war hawks dream. L0oniX Jun 2015 #98

no kidding AnAzulTexas Jun 2015 #205

HRC/Kali '16. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #44

Kali or Calley? leveymg Jun 2015 #50

Depends on the ballot requirements in individual states. n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #55

Not sure Kali can produce her long-form. LOL leveymg Jun 2015 #60

Who'd have the stones to QUESTION her on it, though? n/t. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #64

Sorta get the impression that Hillary hopes she has the same effect in Eastern Europe & Iran. leveymg Jun 2015 #71

oh, so she wants to discuss ISIS's origins, Ukraine, our soaring military budget, Israel, Russia, MisterP Jun 2015 #49

"I�ll do whatever it takes to keep Americans safe" stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #53

Did you applaud when Smirk said that? Doctor_J Jun 2015 #61

Warren is recently Republican do you hate her? stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #157

I'm sorry, but I didn't see your answer to the question... nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #186

You realize that that means making sure that the war budget NEVER goes down Ken Burch Jun 2015 #65

You made the most important point possible. hifiguy Jun 2015 #85

From what? MattSh Jun 2015 #156

from this stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #158

Military solutions will NOT keep Americans safe Martin Eden Jun 2015 #174

ding ding ding! mooseprime Jun 2015 #57

It's increasingly difficult to defend the House of Saud and the US Constitution simultaneously. leveymg Jun 2015 #66

I wonder what the Republican candidates will make of this? fadedrose Jun 2015 #148

Well, I've heard it every time she's ever said anything about foreign policy Scootaloo Jun 2015 #70

Hey Hillary, Chelsea is still young enough to enlist. What is she waiting for? BeanMusical Jun 2015 #78

I must admit hfojvt Jun 2015 #94

I wish you were right that she's just another tired, self-interested pol. Rather, she still has a leveymg Jun 2015 #113

I think her main goal is just to BE President hfojvt Jun 2015 #119

She may honestly believe she's still a member of the Middle Class and hasn't a clue leveymg Jun 2015 #124

some people do think that hfojvt Jun 2015 #128

The very rich and the very poor are a lot alike. They tend to let their children run wild, leveymg Jun 2015 #130

Hail of bullets ...and all that shit. Exceptionalness ...blah blah blah. L0oniX Jun 2015 #96

The HRC Warhawk Lives Up To Her Reputation cantbeserious Jun 2015 #108

Hillary to the world. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #109

Well put, leveymg. Octafish Jun 2015 #110

Thanks for posting the transcript of her speech! leveymg Jun 2015 #115

I feel it in my bones and this OP is nearly EXACTLY what I have been trying to say. And yet... Bonobo Jun 2015 #117

That's for another OP and another speech. ;-) leveymg Jun 2015 #126

Wake me when we can call Israel Caretha Jun 2015 #129

She is tougher than Margret Thasher. nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #131

You mean Reagan's best pal? Pauldg47 Jun 2015 #140

When a candidate says they are going to "protect America" it's code for "more money to the MIC". nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #173

Groundhog Day. nt silvershadow Jun 2015 #133

God! She's positioning herself as the next WAR PRESIDENT! Follow in W and Cheney's footsteps! Kablooie Jun 2015 #134

I understand her need to show her ability to be able to be a war President, but Sept 11 references.. marble falls Jun 2015 #135

No more status quo, sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #136

Unfotunately, there will be wars because there are leaders of countries that want it.... Gloria Jun 2015 #138

She worked in the STATE DEPARTMENT! Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #143

exactly-- she's a creature of that whole mindset Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #169

You do not need to tear down Hillary to support Bernie. juajen Jun 2015 #144

The issue was clearly Clinton's bellicose speech. Please try to keep up. n/t RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #145

It's about what she'd be like as president...not about tearing her down as a person. Ken Burch Jun 2015 #153

This speech could give me nightmares... fadedrose Jun 2015 #147

All she's missing is the boots and the smirk. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #150

While her statements in paragraphs 5 & 7 are correct davidpdx Jun 2015 #154

It's a nightmare. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #155

Warring and Foundationing, warring and foundationing warring and foundationing - money and DhhD Jun 2015 #163

Clinton's speech was to the Elite: The People Are Yours. DhhD Jun 2015 #164

"and reinforced allies like Israel." R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #165

Another day, another Hillary Clinton Whipping Post thread. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #166

She's the one who said it: Another day, another war. leveymg Jun 2015 #167

exactly-- well said. She's a creature of the war machine and the war racket. Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #168

I'm sorry to say that RoccoR5955 Jun 2015 #172

Sometime 1998 or so? alphafemale Jun 2015 #179

But it's so fucking easy to siphoned the treasury with a war. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #185

Cha-ching, cha-ching. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #189

As the lady at Drake University said yesterday ... DrBulldog Jun 2015 #190

that is certainly NOT an alternative vision for U.S. future.... mike_c Jun 2015 #192

After listening to HRC's speech, and then reading it, then reading the commentaries, GoneOffShore Jun 2015 #195

geez heaven05 Jun 2015 #196

Christ... Puha Ekapi Jun 2015 #199

Why doesn't she come out of the closet and run as a republican? tularetom Jun 2015 #203