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SheilaT

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18. Gun homicides have dropped! Fantastic!

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 09:08 AM

Jun 2015

Explain to me again why any gun homicides are acceptable? Why it's okay that toddlers kill each other or themselves or a parent when they find a gun?

Would you feel the same way if it was your toddler?

Oh, I see. So long as you can have a gun you don't give a flying fuck what happens to anyone else.

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The new gun safety study that gun nuts don’t want you to hear about [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2015 OP

Wonder what other rights they'd like to get the 99% to pay for. ileus Jun 2015 #1

Laws like this don't infringe on gun ownership. eggplant Jun 2015 #42

Why should I have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right? GGJohn Jun 2015 #45

easy DustyJoe Jun 2015 #68

I couldn't agree with you more. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #71

There are a few off the top of my head mitch96 Jun 2015 #69

sorry but a fail Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #72

true mitch96 Jun 2015 #82

But the point is that owning and operating these are not a Contitutionally protected right, GGJohn Jun 2015 #85

So help me understand mitch96 Jun 2015 #86

Exactly how my state does it, as most states do it, GGJohn Jun 2015 #91

So you are ok with a background check. eggplant Jun 2015 #92

Of course I'm ok with background checks, GGJohn Jun 2015 #94

So... eggplant Jun 2015 #96

Safety course? Yeah, I'd be ok with that, GGJohn Jun 2015 #98

How does requiring a license, if it is free, restrict your rights... eggplant Jun 2015 #102

How about a license to exercise your 1A? GGJohn Jun 2015 #107

I have to register to vote. eggplant Jun 2015 #109

A cetificate is not a license, it's just a piece of paper saying you passed a safety course. GGJohn Jun 2015 #114

You mention the 1A. eggplant Jun 2015 #127

Please point out where I ever said the 2A is absolute? GGJohn Jun 2015 #134

Same as in my state mitch96 Jun 2015 #101

Want to know the best way to lower firearms deaths? GGJohn Jun 2015 #104

Those would be great. eggplant Jun 2015 #105

You asked how would I lower the firearms deaths, GGJohn Jun 2015 #108

I didn't ask that. eggplant Jun 2015 #110

Ooops, you're right, GGJohn Jun 2015 #113

As supporters of gun control, we're all the same to you CreekDog Jun 2015 #119

Again, you're wrong. GGJohn Jun 2015 #122

I disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #130

What kind of point are you making by answering for him CreekDog Jun 2015 #166

I am sorry I did not realize Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #168

First, you have to be honest Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #100

but there were means of personal Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #90

You need a permit to protest in many cities. jeff47 Jun 2015 #106

And I oppose those permits on the grounds that you shouldn't GGJohn Jun 2015 #111

Sorry, Duck Hunter was arguing no constitutional rights require a permit. jeff47 Jun 2015 #116

Does that just cover an individual Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #112

Hrm...I can't seem to find where the First Amendment only applies to individuals jeff47 Jun 2015 #115

The 1A is a restriction on govt to restrict free speech, which would apply to individuals and groups GGJohn Jun 2015 #118

And Duck Hunter is arguing the opposite. Might wanna take that up with him. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #121

Glad we agree. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #123

And we may very well disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #131

as with all things Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #126

Except that's not what you're arguing with the second amendment. jeff47 Jun 2015 #132

Wrong again Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #133

You mean a perfect analog for getting a DUI and having your license taken away? jeff47 Jun 2015 #158

Of course Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #160

Actually, it is checked in some states. jeff47 Jun 2015 #161

Don't waste your time awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #152

We do, thats the problem Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #156

You haven't been keeping up jmowreader Jun 2015 #163

That whole "Constitutional right" thing is really quite a stretch. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #185

"Well Regulated Militia" ThoughtCriminal Jun 2015 #186

Well regulated Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #205

Your definition ThoughtCriminal Jun 2015 #238

What you fail to realize is that none of those are Constitutionally protected rights. GGJohn Jun 2015 #73

Why do I have to register to vote and prove my ID to exercise a Constitutional right? csziggy Jun 2015 #129

I'm opposed to these restrictions on voting, they're designed to restrict the poor, minorities, GGJohn Jun 2015 #135

What other Constitutional right can you kill your neighbor with? Politicalboi Jun 2015 #139

How about voting for Bush? GGJohn Jun 2015 #142

the pen or online comments Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #145

Yeah, thousands of times per year, just like with guns Orrex Jun 2015 #146

Quite probably so Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #147

You can't possibly believe that. Orrex Jun 2015 #148

please do not post unfactual content Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #149

That's a weak objection. Orrex Jun 2015 #150

and it is entirely factual, I know you do not like that Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #153

Doesn't support your claim. Orrex Jun 2015 #164

Nope Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #169

Well, we can go back and forth all day. Orrex Jun 2015 #171

Yep Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #174

All rights have limits, even your gun hero Scalia said so. Wow. nt Logical Jun 2015 #154

And I acknowledged that in an earlier thread. GGJohn Jun 2015 #173

It is almost as if they do not read the posts at all? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #177

You don't have a voting registration card? Doctor_J Jun 2015 #176

Unfortunately, yes, GGJohn Jun 2015 #179

K&R! marym625 Jun 2015 #2

The problem is, gun control is like climate change in that opponents aren't basing their opinions DanTex Jun 2015 #3

Gun lobbyists are just like climate change deniers SecularMotion Jun 2015 #8

their fear and paranoia trumps all Skittles Jun 2015 #182

While gun control organizations use fake videos: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #183

Here's the problem - no one with a gun fetish will Exilednight Jun 2015 #4

Yep...some of you know I've been suggesting a license for quite some time now. Sancho Jun 2015 #5

That, is the textbook definition of changing a right into a privilege. beevul Jun 2015 #180

BS..it's the textbook definition of the right of people to be safe... Sancho Jun 2015 #184

No one has "the right to be safe", they don't even have the right to police protection: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #187

Yawn....read the book I linked and all the footnote cases...one recent example Sancho Jun 2015 #188

Nothing about your purported "right to be safe" in that friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #189

If you want to argue "legal language" then take it up with the legal scholars... Sancho Jun 2015 #190

"(P)revent dangerous people from possessing and using guns" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #191

haha... the original post was a research study that these things work! Sancho Jun 2015 #192

'Not wanting the laws *you* want' =/= 'not wanting any laws' friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #193

I would have no problem with an "opinion permit"... Sancho Jun 2015 #194

Opinions can, and have, killed. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #195

The social science research (like the Connecticut study) shows some of these work... Sancho Jun 2015 #197

This reads like the same bill of goods used to sell the Patriot Act. Sorry, no can do friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #199

if you ever have a better solution, let us know! Sancho Jun 2015 #200

"I suppose the license could also screen to see if you were on a terrorist watch list." friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #202

The one Ted Kennedy was on? beevul Jun 2015 #209

" You can prevent shooting by making easy access to guns harder for dangerous people." beevul Jun 2015 #212

Haha...I never had the terrorist watch list on my license! That was sarcasm... Sancho Jun 2015 #217

Sarcasm? beevul Jun 2015 #218

My idea for a license comes from simple experience.... Sancho Jun 2015 #221

I dont give a fig where it came from. beevul Jun 2015 #224

Sorry, but decades of scholars disagree with you.... Sancho Jun 2015 #226

Even the op ed with covers you cite there... beevul Jun 2015 #227

"What you seem to be defending..." I defend nothing of the sort friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #196

Ok..what's your answer??? Sancho Jun 2015 #198

To start with, fund the ATF properly and get them prosecuting illegal buyers friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #201

Many shootings could be prevented by a licensing process.... Sancho Jun 2015 #219

"The license would make it more (difficult) to possess guns." FTFY friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #233

Only if you were unstable, dangerous, or had some issue.... Sancho Jun 2015 #235

And who would pay for and administer this process? oneshooter Jun 2015 #236

State license...and it would save money and lives. Sancho Jun 2015 #237

And there it is. beevul Jun 2015 #216

I'm there too. License the operator Recursion Jun 2015 #203

The Boulware attack on Dallas police might be the poster child for any/some gun Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #6

Those students must be over 21 you know right? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #10

... GGJohn Jun 2015 #13

They can't Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #16

I know. GGJohn Jun 2015 #20

So start tracking people with mental illness on a national basis hack89 Jun 2015 #208

Already posted and discussed here with some facts. Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #7

Those "facts" ignore the methodology employed Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #38

so they cherrypicked the states Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #39

What an obtuse interpretation. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #47

so what states were used? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #53

Follow the links. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #55

I did, I am not paying Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #57

Yes I can, but I'm not your Google monkey Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #62

Ah, debunked then LittleBlue Jun 2015 #128

"Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy" Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #9

The OP title is proving itself already Major Nikon Jun 2015 #11

What you said! nt flamin lib Jun 2015 #22

Maybe because the OP's title is full of excrement? GGJohn Jun 2015 #23

Au contraire, mon frere Major Nikon Jun 2015 #125

Not really, GGJohn Jun 2015 #137

I so far have seen insults only from one side myself Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #140

Well, to be fair, I kinda was insulting with my excrement comment. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #141

Yes, but it was not directed at a person or group either Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #143

Yep. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #144

I don't consider you open minded on any gun topic. nt Logical Jun 2015 #155

Well, that would be your problem wouldn't it. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #162

Gun homicides dropped by more than 40% in the US over that time period Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #12

Gun homicides have dropped! Fantastic! SheilaT Jun 2015 #18

Please point out where ANYONE on this board has said that GGJohn Jun 2015 #21

Every time I bring up the toddlers and parents, SheilaT Jun 2015 #24

Again, please point out where ANYONE on this board GGJohn Jun 2015 #26

and every time I see Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #33

Yes, part of being a gun owner is being responsible, especially around children. SheilaT Jun 2015 #214

But a vast majority are and Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #222

I never once said gun homicides are acceptable Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #25

Actually, I would love to get the number of guns down to zero. SheilaT Jun 2015 #28

"we need to be licensed to drive cars, their are sanctions if we do so badly" Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #37

But very few people point SheilaT Jun 2015 #206

One is a right and one is not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #207

Which comedian said to License mitch96 Jun 2015 #136

Chris rock Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #138

Interesting LittleBlue Jun 2015 #124

I hope senator Manchin will bring this up. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #14

Kudos to CT and other states who pass meaningful gun control laws. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #15

I'm totally in favor of such laws, but.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #17

At the time of my posting this, it says there are 17 replies. I see only 6. That means valerief Jun 2015 #19

Why would persons trained in their disciplines know more than the malaise Jun 2015 #27

This has also been posted in the Gun Control Reform Activist Group mountain grammy Jun 2015 #29

.... GGJohn Jun 2015 #30

How does this violate the SoP for GD ...? etherealtruth Jun 2015 #32

You'll have to take it up with the Admins, GGJohn Jun 2015 #35

I copied and pasted the text of the SoP as it relates to guns etherealtruth Jun 2015 #36

Are you a host in General Discussion? 99Forever Jun 2015 #60

Most are locked Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #63

Never said I was a host, GGJohn Jun 2015 #64

I didn't ask for your opinion. 99Forever Jun 2015 #70

little skarky, are we not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #75

Then why did you even respond to my post? GGJohn Jun 2015 #77

Why? 99Forever Jun 2015 #87

Because I felt like it. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #89

Gun bully mentality. 99Forever Jun 2015 #93

Pure comedy gold. GGJohn Jun 2015 #95

Of course you weren't. 99Forever Jun 2015 #97

Funny, we "gun bullies" aren't the one's throwing insults and names, GGJohn Jun 2015 #99

And a "gotta get the last word" one, at that! 99Forever Jun 2015 #117

Back atcha! GGJohn Jun 2015 #120

Ah yes, more insults Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #103

I am not a host, but my experience with hosts and hosting .... etherealtruth Jun 2015 #83

We need more research that identifies the risks to self and others associated with gun ownership or etherealtruth Jun 2015 #31

Gun posts are like offering candy to trolls packman Jun 2015 #34

Pure comedy gold. GGJohn Jun 2015 #40

The host's Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #50

President Obama strongly believes that the Second Amendment guarantees Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #43

They'll get tired soon enough and declare victory SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #81

LOL. GGJohn Jun 2015 #88

"like all laws are so fucking precious to them" beevul Jun 2015 #181

An answer to your citing percentages packman Jun 2015 #210

Rule number 1 from the gun control talking point manual. beevul Jun 2015 #211

Do you wish the tel. # or e-mails of the Newtown's victims packman Jun 2015 #213

Ahh the double down. beevul Jun 2015 #215

And I have yet to see someone Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #223

I suspect your interlocutor won't be replying... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #234

It says 39 replies. I see only 13. That means most of the posters to this thread I have valerief Jun 2015 #41

I can summarize the posts you can't see... DanTex Jun 2015 #44

Except that's not true is it? GGJohn Jun 2015 #48

Yes, it is. DanTex Jun 2015 #49

No, it isn't. GGJohn Jun 2015 #51

Yay! We're having fun now! DanTex Jun 2015 #52

Agreed. GGJohn Jun 2015 #54

Not really into baseball. Basketball, soccer, tennis, are my favorite sports to watch. DanTex Jun 2015 #58

Saw that, GGJohn Jun 2015 #61

LOL. Maybe he's angling for that lucrative Trojan endorsement... DanTex Jun 2015 #65

LOL, GGJohn Jun 2015 #66

Let's be honest. The dude is 6'8. He's gotta have like size 18 feet and DanTex Jun 2015 #74

Damn, you went there Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #76

Much more fun than arguing about guns! DanTex Jun 2015 #78

agreed Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #80

LOL, one last comment, GGJohn Jun 2015 #79

This is one of the reasons Skinner does not care Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #46

K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #56

Looking forward to reading the actual study. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #59

I don't understand, the Brady Bill is in effect? StoneCarver Jun 2015 #67

Uh, no. GGJohn Jun 2015 #84

Sounds well-regulated awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #151

What's with the name calling insults? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #159

You can't talk sense to people who need a gun in their pants to walk down the street, or a closet Hoyt Jun 2015 #157

K&R Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #165

So what's the big deal about getting a permit? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #167

Very cute Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #170

Is duckhunting protected by the constitution? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #172

Well, if you cared to read my posts, I do not have an issue with it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #175

Do you have any idea what his user name means? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #178

Guns have nuts?? I never noticed any on mine! I've had some Walnut stocks/grips before though... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #204

And where do the criminals find guns to steal? -none Jun 2015 #228

Yeah, and we've had more than a few stolen from POLICE CARS around here the past few years... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #229

No, I am blaming the people that think they need guns to live in our society. -none Jun 2015 #230

Some people DO *need* guns to live in our society. People like me, who HUNT to supplement the Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #231

"Most people" does not, a dictatorship, make. beevul Jun 2015 #232

The majority of my firearms a manual safety. ileus Jun 2015 #220

Well, you're such a manly man. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2015 #225