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marym625

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21. You don't have to say it

Reply to Puglover (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 12:43 PM

Jun 2015

Totally agree

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Greenwald: The Sunday Times� Snowden Story Is Journalism At Its Worst- And Filled With Falsehoods [View all] Veldrick Jun 2015 OP

Mighty Wurlitzer Octafish Jun 2015 #1

I love that! McPravda! I have been calling marym625 Jun 2015 #23

The State has credibility only in the eyes of fools and those complicit with the State's crimes FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #2

Unaware or just don't care? zeemike Jun 2015 #8

Snowden has won, too. grasswire Jun 2015 #12

I think the current effort to villainize him FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #51

me too... grasswire Jun 2015 #52

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #64

^^^ THIS ^^^ cantbeserious Jun 2015 #16

Hmmm. I expect the usual suspects any minute..... truebluegreen Jun 2015 #3

... Puglover Jun 2015 #4

You don't have to say it marym625 Jun 2015 #21

No need to say it, we KNOW what kind of person would do that. Greenwald is great, a real sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #38

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Jun 2015 #63

starstruck ones? Doctor_J Jun 2015 #87

K/R marmar Jun 2015 #5

Says the guy who didn't understand what PRISM is. randome Jun 2015 #6

Or... Says the guy who told NSA Apologists that they phone dragnet was illegal Veldrick Jun 2015 #9

Please review this information and describe how Aerows Jun 2015 #22

It's not a competition, Aerows. Hacking and stealing are both wrong. randome Jun 2015 #33

You know Aerows Jun 2015 #44

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #65

Yeah, believe a rag like the Sunday Murdoch Times marym625 Jun 2015 #30

I don't see the need to believe anyone in this escapade. randome Jun 2015 #34

The Sunday Times is being called out by many now marym625 Jun 2015 #35

If the story turns out to be false, it's certainly no skin off my nose. randome Jun 2015 #42

except that marym625 Jun 2015 #43

They have done it before -- Iraq in 2001 JonLP24 Jun 2015 #57

Thank you for this marym625 Jun 2015 #60

You know it does say the US government is guilty of having a plan JonLP24 Jun 2015 #59

considering Hillary speech yesterday, marym625 Jun 2015 #61

My ole J-School traing sez this story is likely bullshit. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #50

When you actually criticize the DHS and NSA Aerows Jun 2015 #45

Every corporation, every government organization gets hacked at some point. randome Jun 2015 #74

Some of us think that is a good reason to not put important stuff on the web at all. bemildred Jun 2015 #75

Yet no matter how often these systems fail, we still expect them to be bullet-proof. randome Jun 2015 #78

I don't. I expect them to fail in exactly the ways they do. bemildred Jun 2015 #79

That wasn't even a good tap dance, Randome Aerows Jun 2015 #85

Now you're just getting NASTY. I CAN DANCE! randome Jun 2015 #88

The initial Guardian/Times/Reuter/Murdoch story makes utterly no sense. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #37

We don't know who did any hacks JonLP24 Jun 2015 #58

You must have missed where he wiped the floor with Corporate media tools. But hey, no problem the sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #39

Give it up. The smear campaigns failed resoundingly. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #46

I think your rejection of whistle-blowers is a problem of authoritarianism. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #55

Clapper is hardly someone to look up to. Not one to think on his feet, obviously. randome Jun 2015 #81

So it's just Snowden and not all whistle-blowers? nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #91

A list (not comprehensive) of whistleblowers from Wikipedia. randome Jun 2015 #92

That's a great non-answer. He wasn't the first to point the finger at our secret Black State rhett o rick Jun 2015 #93

You know last night I wanted to know exactly what Snowden at the very moment JonLP24 Jun 2015 #56

Did you see Citizen 4? JonLP24 Jun 2015 #62

It's not a lie if that's the best estimate they could come up with. randome Jun 2015 #82

Greenwald talking about journalism at its worst� the irony meter KittyWampus Jun 2015 #7

Pulitzer vs. Anonymous dude nt Veldrick Jun 2015 #10

Oh snap LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #32

No better prize winning journalist to rip the Corporate media shills to ribbons, which he has done sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #40

+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #66

And who is your media hero, Andrea Mitchell? nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #54

I was going to suggest Judith Miller. Exilednight Jun 2015 #68

It's easy to criticize progressive media outlets and journalists, but much harder rhett o rick Jun 2015 #69

Greenwald hitched his wagon to a Shit Wagon Cryptoad Jun 2015 #11

He hasn't lost any credibility, much as you might like it to be so. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #13

+100 marym625 Jun 2015 #20

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #67

guffaw grasswire Jun 2015 #14

Can you point to any actual facts in the London Times story? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #15

Lol, just who did he lose credibility with? Prize winning journalist, backed Snowden, who has now sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #41

No, people who use the term "Comrade Snowden" are the ones who've lost all credibility. cui bono Jun 2015 #48

+1 Marr Jun 2015 #72

So I watched face the nation this morning mountain grammy Jun 2015 #17

blah, blah, blah SoapBox Jun 2015 #18

very insightful frylock Jun 2015 #26

K&R! marym625 Jun 2015 #19

The media merely reprints anything they're told LittleBlue Jun 2015 #24

Shorter Greenwald: Leave Snowden Alone!!... SidDithers Jun 2015 #25

Shorter Sunday Times: No one has been harmed, but there's blood in Snowden's hands! Veldrick Jun 2015 #27

And the Times, just quietly deleted one of its key claims. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #28

Thanks for posting that. There is nary a Perryesque "Ooops!" to betray their shoddy journalism. n/t xocet Jun 2015 #36

That deserves it's own post. Marr Jun 2015 #73

And on top of that... Dr. Strange Jun 2015 #102

Why would anybody take Rupert Murdoch's word for anything? pa28 Jun 2015 #29

And of course this thread is littered with the usual gang of frightened nobs. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #31

So sadly predictable how some outlets lap up their spoon fed pablum (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2015 #47

Of course they lied. It's all they know and do. 99Forever Jun 2015 #49

Look at who we are talking about. It's the job of the CIA and MI6 to spread false Exilednight Jun 2015 #70

Exactly. 99Forever Jun 2015 #71

People are going to slam Greenwald for pointing out the obvious JonLP24 Jun 2015 #53

Snowden destroyed his credibility by not telling the truth, stealing and can't seem to produce a Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #76

You have that backwards, and there is court ruling now that says you could not be more wrong. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #77

the Patriot Act was changed in 2008 and warrants was issued. What Patriot Act was Snowden using Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #80

You don't seem to understand 'Whistle Blowing' so there is no point in trying to explain it to you. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #83

The warrants was issued to the providers of services, not to millions of people. The records was Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #90

We know what it was. So don't try to convince anyone who understands our rights under sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #95

Since you understand the Fourth Amendment then you know Snowden violated our rights by Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #96

Keep digging LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #84

When he speaks, changes his story the next time he speaks, changes his story again, I sure can not Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #89

So YOU knew for sure even though an authoritiy figure in charge said the opposite? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #94

Snowden changed his story more than once, which story do you believe? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #97

Why? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #98

When I am listening to Snowdens speaking I do not consider these as msm. Now back to my question Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #99

What lies? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #103

He has changed his story about his responsibilities, etc, I doubt even if Snowden told you directly Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #104

Ok this is the last reply LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #105

Snowden has never been caught lying. Never. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #86

And now there is a story Aerows Jun 2015 #100

I want names. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #101