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bvar22

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65. I oppose the TPP.

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:11 PM

Jun 2015

....just explaining Wyden's vote for those who haven't figured it out yet.

He does have to get elected by the people in Oregon.

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only 12 dems voted for Obama's trAde agenda. That speaks volumes [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

It speaks politics. Enough will vote for the TPA to pass. Others will do the politically expedient Hoyt Jun 2015 #1

That's a good point Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #7

The difference with the EU is that the Europeans actually get to govern it. jeff47 Jun 2015 #15

No they did not. We can keep our meat labeling laws exactly as they are, if we are willing for Hoyt Jun 2015 #21

The difference is without NAFTA, we could retaliate with our own tariffs jeff47 Jun 2015 #25

That wouldn't be smart. The repercussions they face if they don't label their meat, Hoyt Jun 2015 #30

There's no copyright on the American flag. Mexican slaughterhouses can stamp it all over. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #31

That's fraud. Jeeez. Hoyt Jun 2015 #33

Only if they literally say "Made in the USA" jeff47 Jun 2015 #35

And as soon as someone notices it, the store will bar the product. Hoyt Jun 2015 #36

It's cute when you think multinational retailers give a shit about country of origin. jeff47 Jun 2015 #37

A local grocery store will darn sure quit stocking products people don't buy. If people don't care Hoyt Jun 2015 #42

Eh, you fix that with exclusivity contracts. jeff47 Jun 2015 #44

Consumers who care, will look at the label. If it doesn't say Made In USA, they'll assume it was'nt Hoyt Jun 2015 #46

The Trade Deal you are working your ass off to promote... bvar22 Jun 2015 #56

Taking away Country of Origin on meat and poultry ticks me off to no end peacebird Jun 2015 #22

So, if there is no label, you won't buy it, preferring those with American labels. Hoyt Jun 2015 #32

Come On, Hoyt, please try to keep up. bvar22 Jun 2015 #58

But companies will still put labels on IF consumers prefer American. A smart consumer Hoyt Jun 2015 #60

Another BIG difference: bvar22 Jun 2015 #34

I don't think that makes a lot of difference. Hoyt Jun 2015 #41

I would take "a wash" to our current ballooning trade deficits. bvar22 Jun 2015 #43

Despite the Econ 101 rule-of-thumb people use, many economists believe trade deficits are not so bad Hoyt Jun 2015 #45

Are you REALLY going to look at our ballooning Trade Deficits, bvar22 Jun 2015 #47

It gets bad if China qquits investing here, or Toyota quits building plants here, or Siemens, Hoyt Jun 2015 #48

If what you said were true instead of FALSE, bvar22 Jun 2015 #59

There are no countries anymore. PeteSelman Jun 2015 #8

This "important" horrific, monstrous, anti-human agreement. ananda Jun 2015 #9

OMG, we're acting like Sovereign Citizens now? You really have some nerve! countryjake Jun 2015 #12

Lots of myopic opponents use the sovereign nation crud as a reason. Hoyt Jun 2015 #14

You know any sovereign citizens? I mean actual members of that sick "club"? countryjake Jun 2015 #27

Hoyt has his theories about how the world works, and when they don't quite work out jeff47 Jun 2015 #19

That's a good assessment. BillZBubb Jun 2015 #52

Free trade only works if the countries are on equal footing Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #13

So are we supposed to deny developing countries a chance. That's kind of like a big winner Hoyt Jun 2015 #17

We don't have to actually cut US jobs to send them aid, you know. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #20

And, it's unlikely many, if any, jobs will be go overseas. That's just fear Hoyt Jun 2015 #23

Yes, just like no jobs moved due to NAFTA in 1994, so they never ever moved. jeff47 Jun 2015 #26

Very few if any moved from NAFTA, that weren't replaced or were already moving. Hoyt Jun 2015 #50

The Korean Trade Agreement bvar22 Jun 2015 #49

It's not even in full effect yet. Besides, the way critics calculate "lost jobs" is a joke. Hoyt Jun 2015 #51

Hmmm. Who to believe. bvar22 Jun 2015 #53

Like I said, they assume each billion dollars in a trade deficit with Korea is so many thousands job Hoyt Jun 2015 #54

At least you have finally admitted that the Korean Trade Deal has cost thousands of American jobs. bvar22 Jun 2015 #61

Nope. If we reduce our deficit with Korea, it does not mean more jobs here. Hoyt Jun 2015 #62

Did I say that?? I said FAIR TRADE Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #24

there's an enormous amount of opposition in Europe- even to the TPP cali Jun 2015 #38

Only 12 free traitors who support Wall Street and our billionaire overloards? Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #2

Where do they go from here, cali? dmr Jun 2015 #3

Not Cali, but since TAA failed and TPA passed jeff47 Jun 2015 #18

Actually 40 Dems voted for TAA and 28 Dems voted for TPA... cascadiance Jun 2015 #4

Okay. So I am still confused. I get the TAA and the TPA. What was the other bill about? jwirr Jun 2015 #16

The article linked explained it this way... cascadiance Jun 2015 #28

now I am confused G_j Jun 2015 #5

Just follow Hillary's triangulating walk. morningfog Jun 2015 #10

We got some work to do, Oregon ... Trajan Jun 2015 #6

Obama "bought" them with his trip to speak at Nike a few weeks ago... cascadiance Jun 2015 #29

You know, Ron Wyden voted for NAFTA and CAFTA and his support for free trade is unrelenting Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #55

Oregon and Seattle will be "Points of Entry" for TPP products, bvar22 Jun 2015 #57

Yes, so we should destroy the livelihoods of everyone else ... Trajan Jun 2015 #64

I oppose the TPP. bvar22 Jun 2015 #65

Never thought I'd work against Wyden. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #63

Obviously, on at least this one issue ... dawg Jun 2015 #11

I show 40 Dems that voted FOR TAA and thus TPP Red Oak Jun 2015 #39

12 DINOs. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #40