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OregonBlue

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21. My personal opinion is that he sees it as necessary. The Chinese are literally taking

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 01:54 PM

Jun 2015

over Asia the way we took over the Americas. Economically they are becoming the powerhouse throughout all of Asia and much of Africa. I assume that the president is trying to get structure in place before we are completely shut out of trade with those areas. I spend a lot of time in SE Asia and can't believe how fast the Chinese are changing it.

I also think that he and the Clintons actually believe in lifting people up all over the world, not just here. The only way to prevent wars, etc., is to level the playing field for everyone. I suspect they don't just talk the talk about helping poor countries to develop but they actually believe in the cause.

Just my opinion.

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"Why has President Obama been willing to spend so much political capital on the TPP??" [View all] kentuck Jun 2015 OP

Because he won't be running for a third term ann--- Jun 2015 #1

Future speaking fees will be higher depending on who he will be speaking to. L0oniX Jun 2015 #2

He might be disappointed if he's going for a target audience of Cleita Jun 2015 #5

All the more reason to make them happy with corporate trade deals. L0oniX Jun 2015 #7

Then he'll really be disappointed. Cleita Jun 2015 #10

And many probably see him as a tool to achieve their goals. Most super wealthy are interested in RKP5637 Jun 2015 #52

Public financed campaigns as Bernie is advocating will take the corruption out of the system, Cleita Jun 2015 #54

Exactly what we need! We call ourselves a democracy and then let people buy elections. How inane. RKP5637 Jun 2015 #66

no, I don't think so. And many, many of the richest and most influential cali Jun 2015 #11

In the South, it's still a concern. Look at Congress at how he's been Cleita Jun 2015 #12

Blaming The South is easy, and habitual. bvar22 Jun 2015 #35

Not the discussion. The Congressmen and Governors that are the worst enemies of Obama Cleita Jun 2015 #40

Quick...Turn Away , Turn Away from the lying map. bvar22 Jun 2015 #63

All the more reason to have sulphurdunn Jun 2015 #36

I know people who are more politically savvy than me and who are Obama Cleita Jun 2015 #3

But as I have said before: Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #9

he wants to do like bill elehhhhna Jun 2015 #4

I hope that is not true...? kentuck Jun 2015 #18

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Phlem Jun 2015 #48

. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #6

It could be that he can afford to take the heat drray23 Jun 2015 #8

Point is, Hillary or Obama, the Rubin club is in charge. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #22

Right on! I don't give two cents for Hillary's poll numbers or her "inevitability!" Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #28

THIS! +1000 Kip Humphrey Jun 2015 #31

But I'm sick of Warren's self service. She earned tankloads of dough as a Corporate consultant Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #41

She is an outsider because she is opposing the interests of the corporate insiders JDPriestly Jun 2015 #62

Firmly on Bernie's side! And by the way, brilliant post! K&R PatrickforO Jun 2015 #43

Exceptionally well said! We need to get away from the SOS! I would like to see Bernie as president! RKP5637 Jun 2015 #53

I am so grateful to Bernie for stepping azmom Jun 2015 #59

One thing dpatbrown Jun 2015 #64

+1 cui bono Jun 2015 #70

As usual Robert Reich has a good understanding that a lot of us do not have. He knows the workings jwirr Jun 2015 #13

So nailed it. Wellstone ruled Jun 2015 #37

Bluntly, the payoff must be substantial Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #14

and THIS: Triana Jun 2015 #15

Froman only became USTR two years ago shawn703 Jun 2015 #16

I think Obama has some, "wink, wink" future investments that will skyrocket if TPP... StarzGuy Jun 2015 #17

You didn't seem to answer your own question. Are you saying that President Obama politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2015 #19

12-dimensional chess... kentuck Jun 2015 #34

From your post #19 bvar22 Jun 2015 #42

Duh!!! I said that i DIDN'T BELIEVE that the would sell out the working class. politicaljunkie41910 Jun 2015 #60

I don't see the Obamas as money-hungry sellouts either. calimary Jun 2015 #47

I respectfully disagree. Phlem Jun 2015 #50

Yea, here's what that 'sellout' says he'd be interested in doing... babylonsister Jun 2015 #84

3 possibilities: 1) He's clueless; 2) He's corrupt; 3) He believes TPP is a good policy. pampango Jun 2015 #83

Obama WILL get the blame, bvar22 Jun 2015 #89

A statement that cannot be repeated often enough BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #20

My personal opinion is that he sees it as necessary. The Chinese are literally taking OregonBlue Jun 2015 #21

China is expected to drag the world's economy away from America. But that's no excuse.... AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #26

Gee. bvar22 Jun 2015 #65

Exactly. China. A country that will never, ever sign a free trade agreement with us Recursion Jun 2015 #74

Yeah, that horse has already escaped from the barn Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #76

You're the one pushing for all of our trade to be like our trade with China Recursion Jun 2015 #80

What the hell are you talking about? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #81

So now there are import minimums in the TPP? Recursion Jun 2015 #82

I think you just nailed it. leftofcool Jun 2015 #29

I think you are right. I am still very uncertain of this whole deal SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #30

Welcome to DU, SaranchaIsWaiting! calimary Jun 2015 #85

Thanks for the welcome and reply, calimary. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #87

Hi Sarancha. Yes, I agree too. I don't believe the Obamas are greedy insiders. I don't OregonBlue Jun 2015 #88

Exactly. At the same time, the opposition shows the failure of our education system. We are in Hoyt Jun 2015 #33

How does giving more power to corporations "lift people up all over the world?" Maedhros Jun 2015 #55

TPP takes power away from corporations. Trade without an agreement gives you Bangladesh Recursion Jun 2015 #75

What utter, sheer nonsense Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #79

Have you seen the Chinese-built port in Colombo? Recursion Jun 2015 #73

My opinion, too, OregonBlue. What I've seen and learned about Barack Obama is that calimary Jun 2015 #86

Yes. Obama and Clinton are playing the long game. I believe that they genuinely love people and not OregonBlue Jun 2015 #91

Either you forgot the sarcasm smilie or you really believe that the giant corporations, Wall Street, Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #92

I didn't forget the sarcasm. I believe that Obama believes that good trade agreements will OregonBlue Jun 2015 #93

Agreed, OregonBlue Hekate Jun 2015 #90

one macroeconomic explanation I heard yesterday was that a financialized MisterP Jun 2015 #23

So it's the people of America vs Michael Froman? AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #24

Another explanation I've seen: Obama is motivated by the protections for intellectual property Jim Lane Jun 2015 #25

Why? Because he believes his stated reasons. nt Hekate Jun 2015 #27

He doesn't want to be "dead broke" when he leaves the white house? tularetom Jun 2015 #32

Lots of people here without the first clue of what Obama is all about BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #38

If Obama sees the TPP (and final destruction of our Working Class) as his "legacy", bvar22 Jun 2015 #45

People will debate that for years BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #49

There is no good reason, no upside for Obama's promotion of the TPP. ananda Jun 2015 #39

I just chalk it to he is doing as he believes, what has he done since becoming President TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #44

OR, to put it in simplier terms, bvar22 Jun 2015 #46

Yup, yup TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #57

Don't forget "moderate '80s Republican"-- Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #77

Because he will be getting a huge contribution towards Library if he pulls this off INdemo Jun 2015 #51

The beauty is right in the middle of the OP. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2015 #56

Let's ask him: ucrdem Jun 2015 #58

"will help level playing field for U.S. workers/businesses by ensuring trade partners play by rules" Beartracks Jun 2015 #68

Businesses definitely prefer Bangladesh and China to countries with free trade agreements Recursion Jun 2015 #72

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Jun 2015 #61

here is why! TimeToEvolve Jun 2015 #67

First, he has no "political capital". that should be obvious by the TPP disaster. The only way he Doctor_J Jun 2015 #69

Because he knows the job losses happen with or without the TPP Recursion Jun 2015 #71

Exactly. Comprehensive trade reform is not identical to free trade ucrdem Jun 2015 #78