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Wilms

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59. That's a stretch too.

Sun Jun 14, 2015, 05:53 PM

Jun 2015

Like the ThinkingAbout's reply.

Would you also say that car manufacturers don't do nearly enough to keep cars out of the hands of drunk drivers?

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Sanders: invested in the interests of gun owners--and manufacturers [View all] Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 OP

We know these things happen, the members of Congress are not immune to voting in the interest of Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #1

Let me ask you. Wilms Jun 2015 #9

The point was yes he votes with corporations. This isn't the only occassion where he votes with the Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #23

... GGJohn Jun 2015 #34

It may nor be appealing to you but to compare apples to oranges as you have with Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #38

No, you don't. GGJohn Jun 2015 #39

Guns, unlike vehicles, okasha Jun 2015 #104

Wrong. GGJohn Jun 2015 #106

"There is no excuse even for making such a device" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #112

My candidate and I differ. So? okasha Jun 2015 #119

When did the Govt create the Dept. of Needs? GGJohn Jun 2015 #123

Probably about the time it began requiring okasha Jun 2015 #132

So what does any of that have to do with Sanders? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #124

I differ with him, too. okasha Jun 2015 #139

I agree with protecting manufacturers from lawsuits stemming from misuse of their products. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #148

I agree as well: manufacturers (of any product) should not he held petronius Jun 2015 #169

Calling him a "gun nut" because he supported the PLCAA is moronic. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #172

Plus madokie Jun 2015 #250

Exactly nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #133

wowzer fail again. Bernie has been voting for gun control long before cali Jun 2015 #45

His votes connects him to corporations. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #86

And Hilary's time on Walmarts board of directors doesnt connect her to corporations? Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #178

Bazinga. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #277

Yes he started voting against gun control after he was elected to the House. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #292

That's a stretch given the context. Wilms Jun 2015 #58

He also voted for UBC after Sandy Hook aikoaiko Jun 2015 #74

Votes with corporations JonLP24 Jun 2015 #179

You can do better. Wilms Jun 2015 #291

One way they are different is the second amendment mythology Jun 2015 #51

Firearms manufacturer's are forbidden by Federal law from selling directly to the public. GGJohn Jun 2015 #56

Some of the scumbags could have back ground checks. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #293

And what has that to do with the manufacturer's? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #299

They have deep pockets and could pay damages rather than support NRA. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #304

And why should they have to pay for the 3rd party misuse of their products? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #305

Why not, the NRA fights every sensible gun bill. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #307

So the auto manufacturers should pay for the injuries that drunk drivers cause GGJohn Jun 2015 #308

You say I am not making any sense, if the gun manufacturers has money to pay to NRA, then they have Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #309

But why should they have to pay for the actions of a 3rd party? GGJohn Jun 2015 #311

Does gun manufacturers and NRA support sensible gun control bills? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #312

What does that have to do with the PLCAA? GGJohn Jun 2015 #314

Because they are not sensible. You are not winning any friends of the gun manufacturers with your Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #315

Huh? GGJohn Jun 2015 #316

That's a stretch too. Wilms Jun 2015 #59

Guns are different. DCBob Jun 2015 #84

I shot someone with a pillow and hammered it home with a chainsaw Demonaut Jun 2015 #164

So what about rat poison? Wilms Jun 2015 #170

You said this? sheshe2 Jun 2015 #191

I wasn't claiming which method is more often used. Wilms Jun 2015 #207

it depends on the manufacturer's culpability, if the manufacturer lobbies for weak gun laws Demonaut Jun 2015 #257

Not in the eyes of the law. GGJohn Jun 2015 #258

and you're right, the laws are enforced and upheld by politicians, politicians in the Supreme Court Demonaut Jun 2015 #262

And you read that where? n/t Wilms Jun 2015 #259

Would you kindly post a link to that? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #261

here Demonaut Jun 2015 #264

This was in 1998, GGJohn Jun 2015 #265

that is true, 65-31 vote and signed by GWB into law, the SC sides with the law Demonaut Jun 2015 #266

And SC justices are loath to revisit settled law, GGJohn Jun 2015 #267

sometimes they have no choice about revisiting Demonaut Jun 2015 #268

The problem with your scenario is that these lawsuits are dismissed long before GGJohn Jun 2015 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Demonaut Jun 2015 #271

in simplistic comparison, and I'm not insulting you Demonaut Jun 2015 #272

I know you're not insulting me, this debate has been very civil, which is somewhat unusual GGJohn Jun 2015 #273

are you an attorney? your responses are well informed, what is your advocacy concerning this issue? Demonaut Jun 2015 #275

No, I'm a retired Army helicopter pilot, GGJohn Jun 2015 #276

I agree with many aspects of RKBA and pandora's box was opened long ago concerning guns Demonaut Jun 2015 #279

I believe that universal background checks should be instituted, GGJohn Jun 2015 #280

it does, the NRA supported some of the reforms you listed but now adamantly opposed to them now Demonaut Jun 2015 #286

They still support BGC's for FFL dealers, but they adamently GGJohn Jun 2015 #300

yeah, the gun show loop hole, gun shows used to be more swap meet Demonaut Jun 2015 #310

Definitely, GGJohn Jun 2015 #313

What does that have to do with the PLCAA? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #221

Puerto Rico is part of the United States Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #269

Wow, that's ugly of you. Tell ya what, every time I see you do something childish like MADem Jun 2015 #208

We can go all night. Wilms Jun 2015 #215

If cartoons and bumper-stickers are all a person has, I guess we may expect little else from you... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #249

Ever here of a political cartoon? Wilms Jun 2015 #253

You! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #229

Sick of this stuff--it's just beyond the pale. MADem Jun 2015 #237

Yeah, the dire looking pic actually looks like this: freshwest Jun 2015 #245

Guns Have One Purpose LeFleur1 Jun 2015 #283

Peace loving, non-hunter, target-shooting friends of mine disagree. Wilms Jun 2015 #290

If you're not going to kill (or wound) someone or something rock Jun 2015 #302

As I said above... Wilms Jun 2015 #306

It's a sport. My father taught me how to shoot when I was a kid and neither of us hunt. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #318

Wrong, GGJohn Jun 2015 #301

sorry but Bernie has never taken a penny from gun manufacturers or the NRA cali Jun 2015 #42

Great post cali. GGJohn Jun 2015 #44

You can post what you want but he voted with the gun manufacturers. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #47

Gun manufacturers in Vermont 1939 Jun 2015 #50

not in recent years. He voted for a ban on high capacity magazines cali Jun 2015 #60

Well, Wall Street is sure in NY so the corporation posts goes to both Hillary and Bernie. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #61

Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Stop smokey nj Jun 2015 #67

Bernie and Hillary are on the corporate train together. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #68

Um, no. But thanks for trying. smokey nj Jun 2015 #69

Oh, yes, did not have to try, Bernie helped me. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #72

Name the corporation. smokey nj Jun 2015 #107

He voted with the gun manufacturers. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #111

No, he voted the way his constituents wanted him to. GGJohn Jun 2015 #114

Hillary also voted on IWR because of her constitutes, guess it makes their votes Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #118

According to her constituents? GGJohn Jun 2015 #131

Wait. Weren't most New Yorkers opposed to the Iraq War? Fawke Em Jun 2015 #222

I'm a constituant Nite Owl Jun 2015 #303

Again, name ine corporation. smokey nj Jun 2015 #115

Here Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #117

How much money did they give Bernie? smokey nj Jun 2015 #120

I don't know, the list i see is campaign funds, he could have gotten money for a speech, don't know Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #130

You're the one making the accusation, it's your responsibility smokey nj Jun 2015 #136

Hey Smokey, I did not make an accusation, I said he voted with the gun manufacturers, you are the Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #165

You're being deliberately obtuse so there isn't any point continuing smokey nj Jun 2015 #173

Actually I am using talking point from DU, how many times have you read Hillary is a corporatists? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #180

Really? DUers think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11? smokey nj Jun 2015 #181

I am not one of those. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #184

Then you should probably stop using 9/11 to justify Hillary's smokey nj Jun 2015 #188

Post #114 said Bernie was voting for his constituents, I said Hillary voted on IWR for her Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #210

So Hillary voted to invade the wrong country on behalf of her constituents? smokey nj Jun 2015 #212

Yes, because NY'ers were so pro-war! Oilwellian Jun 2015 #295

nope. no speeches. cali Jun 2015 #205

Senators can't give paid speeches, mmmmmKay? truebluegreen Jun 2015 #219

He didn't get a cent. 840high Jun 2015 #225

Who the hell are those companies? Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #185

exactly, vermont really doesn't have a gun industry cali Jun 2015 #206

lol. cali Jun 2015 #204

Good. Wilms Jun 2015 #71

Yep, when I see the corporate train with Hillary I know Bernie is right there also. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #73

yet you have given absolutely zero proof of that claim marym625 Jun 2015 #231

He didn't have to take a penny, but the NRA STILL PUT HIM IN CONGRESS. MADem Jun 2015 #216

Gotcha, maybe the ones looking for tge money will find it, I was pointing out the votes. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #228

Ooops Bernie. Oooops sheshe2 Jun 2015 #274

Nice try, but the thread is about guns... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #288

Only an idiot RandySF Jun 2015 #83

Perhaps you meant to reply to me? Wilms Jun 2015 #96

Typical... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #287

Neoliberals already tried this smear. 99Forever Jun 2015 #2

Smear? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #3

I know "the truth." 99Forever Jun 2015 #4

Because you called it a "smear." Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #6

Oh, and if it's truth you want.... 99Forever Jun 2015 #8

Ummm, so you are not interested in Bernie's view on Gun Control? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #10

I know them. I told you that. Comprehension problem? 99Forever Jun 2015 #21

Right back atcha...Your questions Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #24

What your candidates position on killing tens of thousands? 99Forever Jun 2015 #27

Sorry, evergreen. I'll keep pointing out your dissembling cali Jun 2015 #46

Hmmmm... Well this presents a BIG problem for me. calimary Jun 2015 #13

One more time: Bernie has voted for gun control for years cali Jun 2015 #49

Vermont has been the home of one of the gun makers since the Revolutionary War. Bernie can jwirr Jun 2015 #16

That is big of you. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #18

I have searched for gun manufactors in Vermont but did not find them. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #26

Put "gun manufacturers in Vermont" into google and you will get some. former9thward Jun 2015 #43

Thanks. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #48

Look into them 1939 Jun 2015 #66

Fascinating information I'm sure. former9thward Jun 2015 #70

We're likely to see the same three or four "controversies" recycled over and over and over frylock Jun 2015 #17

called it Mnpaul Jun 2015 #234

How is it a smear? treestar Jun 2015 #55

It's not a smear RandySF Jun 2015 #85

Of course it is. 99Forever Jun 2015 #91

It is a smear, he lied about the PLCAA and Sanders' record. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #110

Good. H2O Man Jun 2015 #5

Now I get why the libertarians are scared he will steal their Ron Paul like votes. /nt jakeXT Jun 2015 #7

There is no perfect candidate or politician. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #11

my sentiment exactly! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #102

He's on solid ground here though. No fears. Cayenne Jun 2015 #241

He's never taken a penny from either the NRA or any gun manufacturer cali Jun 2015 #12

prove that Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #14

sure cali Jun 2015 #29

The NRA helped Bernie get elected by going after his opponent over the auto weapons ban.. Sancho Jun 2015 #168

no they did not I was there. they went after Peter, but they did not cali Jun 2015 #171

Unfortunately, that's not the record and the reference... Sancho Jun 2015 #186

what i said is exactly what your link said, hon. they went after peter. bernie benefited cali Jun 2015 #200

What auto weapons ban? GGJohn Jun 2015 #177

I just read the report in the book.... Sancho Jun 2015 #193

More likely you don't know what the hell you're talking about. GGJohn Jun 2015 #213

From what I see, he was influenced by outsiders in some cases...this is one. Sancho Jun 2015 #220

my goodness, you sure do have a tendency to run, run away when you're proven wrong cali Jun 2015 #37

Actually Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #63

lol. I sure as shit did. And it was fun cali Jun 2015 #75

This is beneath a DUer. Orsino Jun 2015 #284

per Center for Responsive Politics nd Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violences magical thyme Jun 2015 #97

He doesn't have to take money from them. It's if he VOTES calimary Jun 2015 #20

What to hold weapon manufacturers to the same Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #33

He hasn't for years. He's voted for a ban on assault weapons and for cali Jun 2015 #35

Doesn't have to treestar Jun 2015 #57

what part of he's voted for gun control for years, is so difficult to grasp? cali Jun 2015 #62

Wow! i figured he would be for stricter gun control. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #15

Which will make him an easier sell in my neck of the woods. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #19

So, its politically expedient for him to back the NRA? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #22

"Sanders scores F by NRA on pro-gun rights policies." NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #25

what part of " he's voted consistently for gun control over the past decade or more" cali Jun 2015 #30

Yes, it saddens me that there is no perfect candidate, no magic wand wielding superman or woman. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #28

Good for him. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #31

I would vote against allowing people to sue gun manufactures as well. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #32

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #88

You win the internet. beevul Jun 2015 #252

When I told Obama supporters in '08 that I couldn't support him, not on one issue but most, LWolf Jun 2015 #36

Cool beans! Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #40

Luckily, I have been admonished so very many times about being a "purist" that this does djean111 Jun 2015 #41

Good on him. beevul Jun 2015 #52

After being lectured for near on 7 years about how criticism of treestar Jun 2015 #53

This one's been tried, and failed, several times already. arcane1 Jun 2015 #54

I do not understand this response. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #64

lol. you posted it because you were pissed about proof that Hillary had endorsed the TPP cali Jun 2015 #78

Gun control is about #101 on my list of the 100 issues on which I would judge a candidate tularetom Jun 2015 #65

The problem isn't guns so much anyway. It's our culture. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #89

This again? aikoaiko Jun 2015 #76

Not exactly the same as supporting the MIC is it. L0oniX Jun 2015 #77

So what. I STILL back Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton. Next? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #79

Good for you. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #82

Where did I say my candidate was Bernie Sanders? And where did I say "my candidate" WASN'T perfect? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #87

Gun owners should have a place in the Democratic Party Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #80

Works for me. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #81

Voted against The Brady Act? horseshoecrab Jun 2015 #90

The Brady act was a flawed bill hootinholler Jun 2015 #103

The Brady Bill was all about background checks . . . horseshoecrab Jun 2015 #116

He felt it should be handled at the state level n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #251

I'm not anti-gun LittleBlue Jun 2015 #92

Good. He's electable if he's about one thing only. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #93

Here is Bernie's record on guns magical thyme Jun 2015 #94

Great post. Wilms Jun 2015 #100

Facts. I love facts. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #145

What kind of idiot calls Sanders a "gun nut"? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #95

Thank you, scotty. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #101

You're welcome. How much more dishonest can they get? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #109

Dishonesty and disgusting smears are all they have. smokey nj Jun 2015 #122

Exactly, look at the posts by Hillary supporters in this thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #138

It's positively Rovian. smokey nj Jun 2015 #147

Yes! Look at #129 blaming him for what happened in Aurora. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #151

Single-issue nuts. nt NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #137

Yep. I'm not anti-gun. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #144

I find it interesting that neither Thinkingabout nor Evergreen Emerald have acknowledged or ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #235

Thinkingabout moved on to the dupe thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #236

a desperate one Doctor_J Jun 2015 #239

LMAO! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #240

I never have been able to understand Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #98

As of last year or so it has been legal to trqnsport guns in checked luggage oneshooter Jun 2015 #189

I knew that. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #211

No. Cut and past without looking. oneshooter Jun 2015 #227

Why the most liberal candidate for president opposes strict gun control magical thyme Jun 2015 #99

You mean a populist voted against legislation that was unpopular in the state he represents? NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #142

This will make him more popular to the general public - TBF Jun 2015 #105

It's only an issue inside the DU bubble Cayenne Jun 2015 #242

If true, and I believe Bernie has explained this in understsandable terms, it JDPriestly Jun 2015 #108

Better to be pro gun than to be pro free trade. nt WDIM Jun 2015 #113

I saw an interview that addressed his record a few days ago Gloria Jun 2015 #121

He said Vermont has no gun laws? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #127

Yes, HE DID... Gloria Jun 2015 #281

"Not very empathetic" with whom? SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #150

His tone. I know he is direct but Gloria Jun 2015 #282

Gotcha. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #285

Yeah, I live here in NM now but when I talk Gloria Jun 2015 #297

That is interesting to hear. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #298

This is one reason I have problems with Bernie Sanders... Sancho Jun 2015 #125

"Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #134

I don't care about the NRA...I care about the laws I see .... Sancho Jun 2015 #140

Right. You just blamed him for what happened in Aurora. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #153

To my recollection, the NRA SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #161

Not to mention he doesn't take money from the NRA or other gun rights organizations: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #167

Really. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #176

That was the intent of the op. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #182

Bernie has consistently voted on guns in a way I disagree with.... Sancho Jun 2015 #126

What's wrong with that? I see no reason to exclude firearms and ammunition petronius Jun 2015 #143

I don't understand what's wrong with it either. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #156

Really. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #157

What's different from checked bags on aircraft? GGJohn Jun 2015 #175

Makes me like him even more and he is very wise to say no to lawsuits against manufactures Autumn Jun 2015 #128

Then look at the consequences of votes like Bernie's... Sancho Jun 2015 #141

So who do you support for president? nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #146

I will vote for the Democratic candidate - none are perfect, but this vote of Bernie's I don't like. Sancho Jun 2015 #158

Look at his recs. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #162

Shall we sue automobile manufactures when some idiot causes a death with an automobile? Autumn Jun 2015 #152

But that's different! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #174

That's just crazy isn't it? Autumn Jun 2015 #187

They're trying to claim he's not supportive of immigration issues in another thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #192

I saw that. That's another of their spectacular Autumn Jun 2015 #195

Yes!!! No corporations should be immune from liability... Sancho Jun 2015 #196

If I cut my toe off with a kitchen knife I have no right to sue the silverware manufacturer. Autumn Jun 2015 #199

And I suppose you support SLAPP suits designed to bankrupt a company? GGJohn Jun 2015 #202

The PLCAA isn't about immunity from liability, it's about product misuse lawsuits. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #217

Why is he wrong on the PLCAA? GGJohn Jun 2015 #190

Here are some of the consequences of gun laws like those supported by Bernie!! Sancho Jun 2015 #129

They should be aimed at James Holmes Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #154

No corporation should be immune from liability. Sancho Jun 2015 #160

Corporations are held liable for design faults in their product, GGJohn Jun 2015 #198

Agreed, blaming Sanders for this is absurd. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #163

Game, set and match. okasha Jun 2015 #155

Hardly. GGJohn Jun 2015 #209

And again, why should the manufacturers be held responsible for a 3rd party misuse of their GGJohn Jun 2015 #194

If the manufacturer had no responsibility, then explain it to a jury. Sancho Jun 2015 #201

Why should a corporation have to explain the 3rd party misuse of their product to a jury? GGJohn Jun 2015 #203

If a case has no merit they will loose... Sancho Jun 2015 #214

There is no "special immunity", the law exempts lawsuits for defective products. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #218

Exactly... Sancho Jun 2015 #226

You support a law designed to bankrupt manufacturers because you disapprove of their products. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #230

Do you know the reason for the passage of the PLCAA in 2005? GGJohn Jun 2015 #223

I know the history... Sancho Jun 2015 #233

How are they supposed to find out what he is going to use it for Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #197

Thats a consequence of listening to brady campaign lawyers.... beevul Jun 2015 #255

No - that is the consequence of very bad legal advice hack89 Jun 2015 #256

If anything, the parent's should sue the lawyers who urged them to file this lawsuit, GGJohn Jun 2015 #260

Thats a consequence of the Brady Bunch exploiting grieving family members. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #263

Doesn't bother me in the least. (nt) Inkfreak Jun 2015 #135

Probably because he represents VT where people still hunt for food. glowing Jun 2015 #149

The gun control agenda has overtones of racism and classism bluestateguy Jun 2015 #159

I doubt it that's serious JonLP24 Jun 2015 #166

The Sandy Hook families SHOULD lose their lawsuit. krispos42 Jun 2015 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #246

Last poll on gun ownership for DU members show'd about 50%. Good luck with the pant load. L0oniX Jun 2015 #224

and Hillary is a shill for Wall Street Larkspur Jun 2015 #232

good luck riding that horse to the nomination Doctor_J Jun 2015 #238

Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Act?!?!?!?!?! lunamagica Jun 2015 #243

because he believed the states should handle the waiting period. magical thyme Jun 2015 #244

Bernie sanders is a senator from a rural state. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #247

And Hilary's constituents work in the financial industry... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #289

I don't disagree. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #294

His pro-gun record certainly explains the F grade given him by the NRA... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #248

NRA didn't give him any money in recent years, according to Open Secrets: leveymg Jun 2015 #254

It that it? Is that all you got (as the saying goes)? mikehiggins Jun 2015 #278

Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #296

Walmart was the largest single retailer of firearms in the world when Hillary sat on their board. Ikonoklast Jun 2015 #317