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Humanist_Activist

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36. Yeah, I see the issue, I think it boils down to two things...
Sun Jun 14, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jun 2015

first, transgender people do NOT want to generally be considered to have a psychological issue or problem. So defensiveness kicks in, if you can point to a physical difference in the brain, then its not just psychological, but physiological, and hence more "real" and possibly acceptable to the larger culture to accept. Note, as of right now, the evidence leans in this direction anyways.

Intersex people are extremely defensive about children being assigned genders before they are old enough to consent. There is an impression that transgender advocates would advocate for this? Not sure why some intersex people think this, but I haven't read all position papers. There's also the question of territory, intersex people do not want transgender people to claim to be intersex because their intersex condition is superficially invisible. Compared to many intersex people whose condition is usually diagnosed at birth.

I think this illustrates some real fears, but all imposed by larger society which fails to deal with non-binary gender issues, gender identity, and brain variance/disorders in general.

To be honest this can, in a very real way, be rolled up into being related to the stigma against mental disorders in that people don't treat those very seriously either. Even though increasing evidence shows differences in the brains of, I'll call them baseline functional people and those with behavior and/or emotional variances. These differences are physical, they may be a cause or a symptom, hopefully, as the mysteries of the brain are shown the light of day, we can find cures for most of them.

To be honest, the evidence is leaning, rather strongly, towards transgender people possessing the brains of the gender they most strongly identify with. This is pretty much all that matters, its real, it happens, it could be genetics, epigenetics, hormones, whatever. The cause doesn't matter so much as the treatment, let them live their lives as they feel they should, let them correct their bodies to allow them to more completely live as the gender they identify with, period. Seems simple.

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This. A thousand times, this. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #1
It's driving me crazy too bravenak Jun 2015 #2
I can't believe people have to keep posting this. johnp3907 Jun 2015 #3
K&R Solly Mack Jun 2015 #4
A lot of truth in this, but we already know that... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #5
Biological does not necessarily mean genetic, or just genetic gollygee Jun 2015 #6
Yes, hormones and even external environmental factors might have effects, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #7
Minor nitpick, but I think you mean "masculine" and "feminine." NuclearDem Jun 2015 #8
Actually, I meant both... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #9
Actually I believe there are no genetic abnormalities that will explain transgender people. pennylane100 Jun 2015 #19
Did I say there are? n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #21
I apologise if I misunderstood you. pennylane100 Jun 2015 #24
Yes they are truly trans LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #25
You say all this as if it is factual, but... TreasonousBastard Jun 2015 #33
What did I say that is NOT factual? How does the term trans need a new definition? nt LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #35
Give it up. obviously TB is the guy on the left in the last panel. CBGLuthier Jun 2015 #37
We don't really know anything about her process but what she tells us. Orsino Jun 2015 #10
I knew my first trans woman in the 60s Warpy Jun 2015 #11
There is Man, there is Woman and Delmette Jun 2015 #12
Good post mvd Jun 2015 #13
One of my friends had a transgender son. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #14
As one of my neighbors... SoapBox Jun 2015 #20
Well said... Spazito Jun 2015 #15
Great post, thank you. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #16
I'm getting completely disgusted at the comparisons between Caitlyn Jenner and Rachel Dolezal. Initech Jun 2015 #17
+1000000 gollygee Jun 2015 #18
I have no idea what motivated Rachel Doleezal pennylane100 Jun 2015 #26
It all gets back to... 63splitwindow Jun 2015 #22
I think it might be helpful if people view transgender people as having an intersex... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #23
^ THIS EXACTLY!!! LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #29
Is there even a singular intersex community? I would imagine many of them would be sensitive... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #30
I doubt there is a singular intersex community anymore than a singular LGBTQ community LostOne4Ever Jun 2015 #34
Yeah, I see the issue, I think it boils down to two things... Humanist_Activist Jun 2015 #36
Doesn't matter she is still an asshole for being republican. craigmatic Jun 2015 #27
the people implying a correlation between Caitlin J. and Rachel D. are BIGOTS Skittles Jun 2015 #28
SKITTLES GETS IT NuclearDem Jun 2015 #31
Yup. K & R. nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #32
Somebody said that? SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #38
I alerted on that post and it was hidden. stevenleser Jun 2015 #39
Yes gollygee Jun 2015 #40
Thank you. LWolf Jun 2015 #41
Perhaps not, but she did decide to transition. lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #42
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