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Sancho

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194. I would have no problem with an "opinion permit"...

Reply to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #193)

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 12:05 AM

Jun 2015

if opinions from unstable people or untrained people or children would kill others.

Guns have a different consequence than posted opinions. That's why road rage, people pretending to be cops, people angry at the polices, etc. should be cleared in order to possess a gun. If people just yelled insulting opinions, no one would care!

What you seem to be defending is that it's ok for unstable people, children, untrained people, and criminals to easily possess and use guns. You seem to be saying that there is no way to restrict dangerous people from killing others to the tune of thousands each year in the US - this year more than killed in auto accidents.

If you are so smart, how would you keep the dangerous from easy access to guns other than some kind of license? Point of sale "background checks" don't work and that means every clerk in the country has to have connection to all kinds of records or a national database. A license means your background is private, but you are cleared to buy and use guns. Go to the range, show a license. Buy some bullets, show a license. No big deal.

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The new gun safety study that gun nuts don’t want you to hear about [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2015 OP

Wonder what other rights they'd like to get the 99% to pay for. ileus Jun 2015 #1

Laws like this don't infringe on gun ownership. eggplant Jun 2015 #42

Why should I have to have a license to exercise a Constitutional right? GGJohn Jun 2015 #45

easy DustyJoe Jun 2015 #68

I couldn't agree with you more. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #71

There are a few off the top of my head mitch96 Jun 2015 #69

sorry but a fail Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #72

true mitch96 Jun 2015 #82

But the point is that owning and operating these are not a Contitutionally protected right, GGJohn Jun 2015 #85

So help me understand mitch96 Jun 2015 #86

Exactly how my state does it, as most states do it, GGJohn Jun 2015 #91

So you are ok with a background check. eggplant Jun 2015 #92

Of course I'm ok with background checks, GGJohn Jun 2015 #94

So... eggplant Jun 2015 #96

Safety course? Yeah, I'd be ok with that, GGJohn Jun 2015 #98

How does requiring a license, if it is free, restrict your rights... eggplant Jun 2015 #102

How about a license to exercise your 1A? GGJohn Jun 2015 #107

I have to register to vote. eggplant Jun 2015 #109

A cetificate is not a license, it's just a piece of paper saying you passed a safety course. GGJohn Jun 2015 #114

You mention the 1A. eggplant Jun 2015 #127

Please point out where I ever said the 2A is absolute? GGJohn Jun 2015 #134

Same as in my state mitch96 Jun 2015 #101

Want to know the best way to lower firearms deaths? GGJohn Jun 2015 #104

Those would be great. eggplant Jun 2015 #105

You asked how would I lower the firearms deaths, GGJohn Jun 2015 #108

I didn't ask that. eggplant Jun 2015 #110

Ooops, you're right, GGJohn Jun 2015 #113

As supporters of gun control, we're all the same to you CreekDog Jun 2015 #119

Again, you're wrong. GGJohn Jun 2015 #122

I disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #130

What kind of point are you making by answering for him CreekDog Jun 2015 #166

I am sorry I did not realize Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #168

First, you have to be honest Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #100

but there were means of personal Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #90

You need a permit to protest in many cities. jeff47 Jun 2015 #106

And I oppose those permits on the grounds that you shouldn't GGJohn Jun 2015 #111

Sorry, Duck Hunter was arguing no constitutional rights require a permit. jeff47 Jun 2015 #116

Does that just cover an individual Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #112

Hrm...I can't seem to find where the First Amendment only applies to individuals jeff47 Jun 2015 #115

The 1A is a restriction on govt to restrict free speech, which would apply to individuals and groups GGJohn Jun 2015 #118

And Duck Hunter is arguing the opposite. Might wanna take that up with him. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #121

Glad we agree. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #123

And we may very well disagree Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #131

as with all things Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #126

Except that's not what you're arguing with the second amendment. jeff47 Jun 2015 #132

Wrong again Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #133

You mean a perfect analog for getting a DUI and having your license taken away? jeff47 Jun 2015 #158

Of course Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #160

Actually, it is checked in some states. jeff47 Jun 2015 #161

Don't waste your time awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #152

We do, thats the problem Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #156

You haven't been keeping up jmowreader Jun 2015 #163

That whole "Constitutional right" thing is really quite a stretch. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #185

"Well Regulated Militia" ThoughtCriminal Jun 2015 #186

Well regulated Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #205

Your definition ThoughtCriminal Jun 2015 #238

What you fail to realize is that none of those are Constitutionally protected rights. GGJohn Jun 2015 #73

Why do I have to register to vote and prove my ID to exercise a Constitutional right? csziggy Jun 2015 #129

I'm opposed to these restrictions on voting, they're designed to restrict the poor, minorities, GGJohn Jun 2015 #135

What other Constitutional right can you kill your neighbor with? Politicalboi Jun 2015 #139

How about voting for Bush? GGJohn Jun 2015 #142

the pen or online comments Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #145

Yeah, thousands of times per year, just like with guns Orrex Jun 2015 #146

Quite probably so Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #147

You can't possibly believe that. Orrex Jun 2015 #148

please do not post unfactual content Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #149

That's a weak objection. Orrex Jun 2015 #150

and it is entirely factual, I know you do not like that Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #153

Doesn't support your claim. Orrex Jun 2015 #164

Nope Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #169

Well, we can go back and forth all day. Orrex Jun 2015 #171

Yep Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #174

All rights have limits, even your gun hero Scalia said so. Wow. nt Logical Jun 2015 #154

And I acknowledged that in an earlier thread. GGJohn Jun 2015 #173

It is almost as if they do not read the posts at all? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #177

You don't have a voting registration card? Doctor_J Jun 2015 #176

Unfortunately, yes, GGJohn Jun 2015 #179

K&R! marym625 Jun 2015 #2

The problem is, gun control is like climate change in that opponents aren't basing their opinions DanTex Jun 2015 #3

Gun lobbyists are just like climate change deniers SecularMotion Jun 2015 #8

their fear and paranoia trumps all Skittles Jun 2015 #182

While gun control organizations use fake videos: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #183

Here's the problem - no one with a gun fetish will Exilednight Jun 2015 #4

Yep...some of you know I've been suggesting a license for quite some time now. Sancho Jun 2015 #5

That, is the textbook definition of changing a right into a privilege. beevul Jun 2015 #180

BS..it's the textbook definition of the right of people to be safe... Sancho Jun 2015 #184

No one has "the right to be safe", they don't even have the right to police protection: friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #187

Yawn....read the book I linked and all the footnote cases...one recent example Sancho Jun 2015 #188

Nothing about your purported "right to be safe" in that friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #189

If you want to argue "legal language" then take it up with the legal scholars... Sancho Jun 2015 #190

"(P)revent dangerous people from possessing and using guns" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #191

haha... the original post was a research study that these things work! Sancho Jun 2015 #192

'Not wanting the laws *you* want' =/= 'not wanting any laws' friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #193

I would have no problem with an "opinion permit"... Sancho Jun 2015 #194

Opinions can, and have, killed. friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #195

The social science research (like the Connecticut study) shows some of these work... Sancho Jun 2015 #197

This reads like the same bill of goods used to sell the Patriot Act. Sorry, no can do friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #199

if you ever have a better solution, let us know! Sancho Jun 2015 #200

"I suppose the license could also screen to see if you were on a terrorist watch list." friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #202

The one Ted Kennedy was on? beevul Jun 2015 #209

" You can prevent shooting by making easy access to guns harder for dangerous people." beevul Jun 2015 #212

Haha...I never had the terrorist watch list on my license! That was sarcasm... Sancho Jun 2015 #217

Sarcasm? beevul Jun 2015 #218

My idea for a license comes from simple experience.... Sancho Jun 2015 #221

I dont give a fig where it came from. beevul Jun 2015 #224

Sorry, but decades of scholars disagree with you.... Sancho Jun 2015 #226

Even the op ed with covers you cite there... beevul Jun 2015 #227

"What you seem to be defending..." I defend nothing of the sort friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #196

Ok..what's your answer??? Sancho Jun 2015 #198

To start with, fund the ATF properly and get them prosecuting illegal buyers friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #201

Many shootings could be prevented by a licensing process.... Sancho Jun 2015 #219

"The license would make it more (difficult) to possess guns." FTFY friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #233

Only if you were unstable, dangerous, or had some issue.... Sancho Jun 2015 #235

And who would pay for and administer this process? oneshooter Jun 2015 #236

State license...and it would save money and lives. Sancho Jun 2015 #237

And there it is. beevul Jun 2015 #216

I'm there too. License the operator Recursion Jun 2015 #203

The Boulware attack on Dallas police might be the poster child for any/some gun Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #6

Those students must be over 21 you know right? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #10

... GGJohn Jun 2015 #13

They can't Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #16

I know. GGJohn Jun 2015 #20

So start tracking people with mental illness on a national basis hack89 Jun 2015 #208

Already posted and discussed here with some facts. Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #7

Those "facts" ignore the methodology employed Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #38

so they cherrypicked the states Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #39

What an obtuse interpretation. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #47

so what states were used? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #53

Follow the links. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #55

I did, I am not paying Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #57

Yes I can, but I'm not your Google monkey Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #62

Ah, debunked then LittleBlue Jun 2015 #128

"Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy" Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #9

The OP title is proving itself already Major Nikon Jun 2015 #11

What you said! nt flamin lib Jun 2015 #22

Maybe because the OP's title is full of excrement? GGJohn Jun 2015 #23

Au contraire, mon frere Major Nikon Jun 2015 #125

Not really, GGJohn Jun 2015 #137

I so far have seen insults only from one side myself Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #140

Well, to be fair, I kinda was insulting with my excrement comment. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #141

Yes, but it was not directed at a person or group either Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #143

Yep. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #144

I don't consider you open minded on any gun topic. nt Logical Jun 2015 #155

Well, that would be your problem wouldn't it. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #162

Gun homicides dropped by more than 40% in the US over that time period Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #12

Gun homicides have dropped! Fantastic! SheilaT Jun 2015 #18

Please point out where ANYONE on this board has said that GGJohn Jun 2015 #21

Every time I bring up the toddlers and parents, SheilaT Jun 2015 #24

Again, please point out where ANYONE on this board GGJohn Jun 2015 #26

and every time I see Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #33

Yes, part of being a gun owner is being responsible, especially around children. SheilaT Jun 2015 #214

But a vast majority are and Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #222

I never once said gun homicides are acceptable Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #25

Actually, I would love to get the number of guns down to zero. SheilaT Jun 2015 #28

"we need to be licensed to drive cars, their are sanctions if we do so badly" Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #37

But very few people point SheilaT Jun 2015 #206

One is a right and one is not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #207

Which comedian said to License mitch96 Jun 2015 #136

Chris rock Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #138

Interesting LittleBlue Jun 2015 #124

I hope senator Manchin will bring this up. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #14

Kudos to CT and other states who pass meaningful gun control laws. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #15

I'm totally in favor of such laws, but.... Adrahil Jun 2015 #17

At the time of my posting this, it says there are 17 replies. I see only 6. That means valerief Jun 2015 #19

Why would persons trained in their disciplines know more than the malaise Jun 2015 #27

This has also been posted in the Gun Control Reform Activist Group mountain grammy Jun 2015 #29

.... GGJohn Jun 2015 #30

How does this violate the SoP for GD ...? etherealtruth Jun 2015 #32

You'll have to take it up with the Admins, GGJohn Jun 2015 #35

I copied and pasted the text of the SoP as it relates to guns etherealtruth Jun 2015 #36

Are you a host in General Discussion? 99Forever Jun 2015 #60

Most are locked Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #63

Never said I was a host, GGJohn Jun 2015 #64

I didn't ask for your opinion. 99Forever Jun 2015 #70

little skarky, are we not Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #75

Then why did you even respond to my post? GGJohn Jun 2015 #77

Why? 99Forever Jun 2015 #87

Because I felt like it. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #89

Gun bully mentality. 99Forever Jun 2015 #93

Pure comedy gold. GGJohn Jun 2015 #95

Of course you weren't. 99Forever Jun 2015 #97

Funny, we "gun bullies" aren't the one's throwing insults and names, GGJohn Jun 2015 #99

And a "gotta get the last word" one, at that! 99Forever Jun 2015 #117

Back atcha! GGJohn Jun 2015 #120

Ah yes, more insults Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #103

I am not a host, but my experience with hosts and hosting .... etherealtruth Jun 2015 #83

We need more research that identifies the risks to self and others associated with gun ownership or etherealtruth Jun 2015 #31

Gun posts are like offering candy to trolls packman Jun 2015 #34

Pure comedy gold. GGJohn Jun 2015 #40

The host's Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #50

President Obama strongly believes that the Second Amendment guarantees Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #43

They'll get tired soon enough and declare victory SwankyXomb Jun 2015 #81

LOL. GGJohn Jun 2015 #88

"like all laws are so fucking precious to them" beevul Jun 2015 #181

An answer to your citing percentages packman Jun 2015 #210

Rule number 1 from the gun control talking point manual. beevul Jun 2015 #211

Do you wish the tel. # or e-mails of the Newtown's victims packman Jun 2015 #213

Ahh the double down. beevul Jun 2015 #215

And I have yet to see someone Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #223

I suspect your interlocutor won't be replying... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #234

It says 39 replies. I see only 13. That means most of the posters to this thread I have valerief Jun 2015 #41

I can summarize the posts you can't see... DanTex Jun 2015 #44

Except that's not true is it? GGJohn Jun 2015 #48

Yes, it is. DanTex Jun 2015 #49

No, it isn't. GGJohn Jun 2015 #51

Yay! We're having fun now! DanTex Jun 2015 #52

Agreed. GGJohn Jun 2015 #54

Not really into baseball. Basketball, soccer, tennis, are my favorite sports to watch. DanTex Jun 2015 #58

Saw that, GGJohn Jun 2015 #61

LOL. Maybe he's angling for that lucrative Trojan endorsement... DanTex Jun 2015 #65

LOL, GGJohn Jun 2015 #66

Let's be honest. The dude is 6'8. He's gotta have like size 18 feet and DanTex Jun 2015 #74

Damn, you went there Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #76

Much more fun than arguing about guns! DanTex Jun 2015 #78

agreed Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #80

LOL, one last comment, GGJohn Jun 2015 #79

This is one of the reasons Skinner does not care Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #46

K&R Jefferson23 Jun 2015 #56

Looking forward to reading the actual study. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #59

I don't understand, the Brady Bill is in effect? StoneCarver Jun 2015 #67

Uh, no. GGJohn Jun 2015 #84

Sounds well-regulated awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #151

What's with the name calling insults? Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #159

You can't talk sense to people who need a gun in their pants to walk down the street, or a closet Hoyt Jun 2015 #157

K&R Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #165

So what's the big deal about getting a permit? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #167

Very cute Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #170

Is duckhunting protected by the constitution? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #172

Well, if you cared to read my posts, I do not have an issue with it Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #175

Do you have any idea what his user name means? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #178

Guns have nuts?? I never noticed any on mine! I've had some Walnut stocks/grips before though... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #204

And where do the criminals find guns to steal? -none Jun 2015 #228

Yeah, and we've had more than a few stolen from POLICE CARS around here the past few years... Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #229

No, I am blaming the people that think they need guns to live in our society. -none Jun 2015 #230

Some people DO *need* guns to live in our society. People like me, who HUNT to supplement the Ghost in the Machine Jun 2015 #231

"Most people" does not, a dictatorship, make. beevul Jun 2015 #232

The majority of my firearms a manual safety. ileus Jun 2015 #220

Well, you're such a manly man. nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2015 #225