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In reply to the discussion: I know it's too early to say I've been "vindicated" [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)73. They may have figured it out with a MIDWAY WATER trick....that's my guess. OR...there was someone
on the inside who tipped UK off that they'd cracked the code as they frantically asked for asylum. By "MIDWAY WATER trick" I mean this event in history:
Allied code-breaking
Admiral Nimitz had one priceless advantage: cryptanalysts had partially broken the Japanese Navy's JN-25b code.[45] Since the early spring of 1942, the US had been decoding messages stating that there would soon be an operation at objective "AF". It was not known where "AF" was, but Commander Joseph J. Rochefort and his team at Station HYPO were able to confirm that it was Midway; Captain Wilfred Holmes devised a ruse of telling the base at Midway (by secure undersea cable) to broadcast an uncoded radio message stating that Midway's water purification system had broken down.[46] Within 24 hours, the code breakers picked up a Japanese message that "AF was short on water."[47] HYPO was also able to determine the date of the attack as either 4 or 5 June, and to provide Nimitz with a complete IJN order of battle.[48] Japan had a new codebook, but its introduction had been delayed, enabling HYPO to read messages for several crucial days; the new code, which had not yet been cracked, came into use shortly before the attack began, but the important breaks had already been made.[49][nb 8]
As a result, the Americans entered the battle with a very good picture of where, when, and in what strength the Japanese would appear. Nimitz knew that the Japanese had negated their numerical advantage by dividing their ships into four separate task groups, all too widely separated to be able to support each other.[50][nb 9] Nimitz calculated that the aircraft on his three carriers, plus those on Midway Island, gave the U.S. rough parity with Yamamoto's four carriers, mainly because American carrier air groups were larger than Japanese ones. The Japanese, by contrast, remained almost totally unaware of their opponent's true strength and dispositions even after the battle began.[27]
USA keeps saying they don't really know everything he took, but I submit they know EXACTLY what he took--down to the packet of Post-It Notes and highlighters from the workcenter supply cabinet.
He met with a "Chinese journalist" (reputed to be in the bag with Beijing) and gave an interview while in Hong Kong. That would have been a perfect opportunity to hand over materials to them, in exchange for an exit visa from Hong Kong (remember, USA had asked Beijing to put a HOLD on his departure, and they failed to do that because they claimed the paperwork was squirrelly--talk about using a technicality to avoid cooperating with an ostensible ally).
He was also staying in the Russian consulate. That room at the MIRA hotel was a "meeting place" -- not a residence, according to some theories that I find quite plausible. He might well have been met by the Russians the minute he landed. He used the room during the time he met with Greenwald and Poitras, and never showed up there again. One moment he was there, the next moment, poof, he was gone, yet still in Hong Kong ... in the RUSSIAN Consulate. And when you think about it, HK is a perfect place from a Russian perspective--it's easy to get in and out of there, if needs must, and it's also easy to get lost in that city if that's what you're determined to do.
You know what would take this entire crazy tale to the next level? If USA found a way to "reveal" (accidentally, of course) that Snowden was in fact a triple agent, playing the traitor, but in actual fact, spreading disinformation, and causing him to lose his Putin protection.
And what would be funnier, still, is if that scenario turned out to be true!
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Incorrect. He is only a spy if he deliberately gave the info to Russia and China.
Vattel
Jun 2015
#22
He transferred the material, and he's never said they forced him to hand anything over.
MADem
Jun 2015
#28
No, I don't. I refuse to allow people to CHANGE the subject, and that can be frustrating, I know.
MADem
Jun 2015
#59
I didn't change the subject, nor did I give an interpretation of what Snowden did,
Vattel
Jun 2015
#65
If this analysis is correct, then Snowden did not purposely do anything as to the allegation here.
randys1
Jun 2015
#101
There was another article posted here last night walking back the article too
notadmblnd
Jun 2015
#102
"If it is true." That appears to be a huge caveat in the case of this story.
Comrade Grumpy
Jun 2015
#42
They tried that story before. Right Winger tried it here, was actually asked by Anderson Cooper to
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#94
the British govt isn't any more of a credible source than our own govt agents' assessment
bigtree
Jun 2015
#8
I always knew that Snowden is a liar.. why did he have to lie so much? Because he's not a
Cha
Jun 2015
#10
Yeah, but you used to also call Hillary a "liar" and you're on her side now.
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2015
#43
Only if you move to Russia. Your statements are untrue otherwise! TheTruth© lives in Moscow!
freshwest
Jun 2015
#11
All the papers are reporting that the Chinese and Russians CRACKED the encryption.
MADem
Jun 2015
#14
They may have figured it out with a MIDWAY WATER trick....that's my guess. OR...there was someone
MADem
Jun 2015
#73
None of Snowden's claims address the question of who these hacking techniques are used against.
randome
Jun 2015
#70
I regard interacting with technology like having lunch in the food court at a mall.
MADem
Jun 2015
#78
No, I couldn't give a fuck even in a brothel about whatever you are going on about.
TheKentuckian
Jun 2015
#24
Well you were right about the Boxes and His Girl Friend being a pole dancer
bahrbearian
Jun 2015
#25
funny how only Snowden/Greenwald sycophants are the ones who ever mentioned that info.
KittyWampus
Jun 2015
#35
Factually so incorrect I can't believe anyone would peddle that nonsense here on DU.
KittyWampus
Jun 2015
#36
You're not alone. The American people smell something too. His negatives continue to rise.
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2015
#30
"Whistleblower"? What a misnomer.. Snowjob is so not one.. He's a hacker, a thief, a dumper.. oh
Cha
Jun 2015
#49
His fanbois are all anxious to create the illusion that Snowden's a hero. Unless we're going to....
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2015
#85
Greenwald after Snowden goes to Russia: Snowden has NSA docs. Now, denies Russia cracked code, says
Cha
Jun 2015
#92
Awesome & very accurate tweets. GG is a well known bully & so are his accolytes. Sounds like Kurt
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2015
#99
Sorry but your title is too vague so I don't know who to be fighting with in this thread.
Rex
Jun 2015
#52