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95. We know what it was. So don't try to convince anyone who understands our rights under

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 02:55 PM

Jun 2015

the US Constitution that the twisted logic of the Bush/Cheney gang was ever or will ever be acceptable and is not, as the court has now established.

The 4th Amendment has not been altered in any from its clear statement of the rights of every individual American.

The made up garbage of those who so severely violated the Constitution and their oaths of office, which require only thing thing, that they defend and protect the Constitution of the US, was, is and always will be a CRIME.

I would stop trying to defend them if I were you. We are in an historical moment right now where finally, those dark days when the propaganda ruled are showing signs of becoming just that, a very dark period in our history.

Airc, they used the same twisted logic to try to defend torture also! That too will have to be addressed LEGALLY one day.

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Greenwald: The Sunday Times� Snowden Story Is Journalism At Its Worst- And Filled With Falsehoods [View all] Veldrick Jun 2015 OP

Mighty Wurlitzer Octafish Jun 2015 #1

I love that! McPravda! I have been calling marym625 Jun 2015 #23

The State has credibility only in the eyes of fools and those complicit with the State's crimes FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #2

Unaware or just don't care? zeemike Jun 2015 #8

Snowden has won, too. grasswire Jun 2015 #12

I think the current effort to villainize him FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #51

me too... grasswire Jun 2015 #52

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #64

^^^ THIS ^^^ cantbeserious Jun 2015 #16

Hmmm. I expect the usual suspects any minute..... truebluegreen Jun 2015 #3

... Puglover Jun 2015 #4

You don't have to say it marym625 Jun 2015 #21

No need to say it, we KNOW what kind of person would do that. Greenwald is great, a real sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #38

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Jun 2015 #63

starstruck ones? Doctor_J Jun 2015 #87

K/R marmar Jun 2015 #5

Says the guy who didn't understand what PRISM is. randome Jun 2015 #6

Or... Says the guy who told NSA Apologists that they phone dragnet was illegal Veldrick Jun 2015 #9

Please review this information and describe how Aerows Jun 2015 #22

It's not a competition, Aerows. Hacking and stealing are both wrong. randome Jun 2015 #33

You know Aerows Jun 2015 #44

+1 You nailed it. Enthusiast Jun 2015 #65

Yeah, believe a rag like the Sunday Murdoch Times marym625 Jun 2015 #30

I don't see the need to believe anyone in this escapade. randome Jun 2015 #34

The Sunday Times is being called out by many now marym625 Jun 2015 #35

If the story turns out to be false, it's certainly no skin off my nose. randome Jun 2015 #42

except that marym625 Jun 2015 #43

They have done it before -- Iraq in 2001 JonLP24 Jun 2015 #57

Thank you for this marym625 Jun 2015 #60

You know it does say the US government is guilty of having a plan JonLP24 Jun 2015 #59

considering Hillary speech yesterday, marym625 Jun 2015 #61

My ole J-School traing sez this story is likely bullshit. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #50

When you actually criticize the DHS and NSA Aerows Jun 2015 #45

Every corporation, every government organization gets hacked at some point. randome Jun 2015 #74

Some of us think that is a good reason to not put important stuff on the web at all. bemildred Jun 2015 #75

Yet no matter how often these systems fail, we still expect them to be bullet-proof. randome Jun 2015 #78

I don't. I expect them to fail in exactly the ways they do. bemildred Jun 2015 #79

That wasn't even a good tap dance, Randome Aerows Jun 2015 #85

Now you're just getting NASTY. I CAN DANCE! randome Jun 2015 #88

The initial Guardian/Times/Reuter/Murdoch story makes utterly no sense. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #37

We don't know who did any hacks JonLP24 Jun 2015 #58

You must have missed where he wiped the floor with Corporate media tools. But hey, no problem the sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #39

Give it up. The smear campaigns failed resoundingly. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #46

I think your rejection of whistle-blowers is a problem of authoritarianism. rhett o rick Jun 2015 #55

Clapper is hardly someone to look up to. Not one to think on his feet, obviously. randome Jun 2015 #81

So it's just Snowden and not all whistle-blowers? nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #91

A list (not comprehensive) of whistleblowers from Wikipedia. randome Jun 2015 #92

That's a great non-answer. He wasn't the first to point the finger at our secret Black State rhett o rick Jun 2015 #93

You know last night I wanted to know exactly what Snowden at the very moment JonLP24 Jun 2015 #56

Did you see Citizen 4? JonLP24 Jun 2015 #62

It's not a lie if that's the best estimate they could come up with. randome Jun 2015 #82

Greenwald talking about journalism at its worst� the irony meter KittyWampus Jun 2015 #7

Pulitzer vs. Anonymous dude nt Veldrick Jun 2015 #10

Oh snap LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #32

No better prize winning journalist to rip the Corporate media shills to ribbons, which he has done sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #40

+1 a huge bunch! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #66

And who is your media hero, Andrea Mitchell? nm rhett o rick Jun 2015 #54

I was going to suggest Judith Miller. Exilednight Jun 2015 #68

It's easy to criticize progressive media outlets and journalists, but much harder rhett o rick Jun 2015 #69

Greenwald hitched his wagon to a Shit Wagon Cryptoad Jun 2015 #11

He hasn't lost any credibility, much as you might like it to be so. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #13

+100 marym625 Jun 2015 #20

+1 Enthusiast Jun 2015 #67

guffaw grasswire Jun 2015 #14

Can you point to any actual facts in the London Times story? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #15

Lol, just who did he lose credibility with? Prize winning journalist, backed Snowden, who has now sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #41

No, people who use the term "Comrade Snowden" are the ones who've lost all credibility. cui bono Jun 2015 #48

+1 Marr Jun 2015 #72

So I watched face the nation this morning mountain grammy Jun 2015 #17

blah, blah, blah SoapBox Jun 2015 #18

very insightful frylock Jun 2015 #26

K&R! marym625 Jun 2015 #19

The media merely reprints anything they're told LittleBlue Jun 2015 #24

Shorter Greenwald: Leave Snowden Alone!!... SidDithers Jun 2015 #25

Shorter Sunday Times: No one has been harmed, but there's blood in Snowden's hands! Veldrick Jun 2015 #27

And the Times, just quietly deleted one of its key claims. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #28

Thanks for posting that. There is nary a Perryesque "Ooops!" to betray their shoddy journalism. n/t xocet Jun 2015 #36

That deserves it's own post. Marr Jun 2015 #73

And on top of that... Dr. Strange Jun 2015 #102

Why would anybody take Rupert Murdoch's word for anything? pa28 Jun 2015 #29

And of course this thread is littered with the usual gang of frightened nobs. LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #31

So sadly predictable how some outlets lap up their spoon fed pablum (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2015 #47

Of course they lied. It's all they know and do. 99Forever Jun 2015 #49

Look at who we are talking about. It's the job of the CIA and MI6 to spread false Exilednight Jun 2015 #70

Exactly. 99Forever Jun 2015 #71

People are going to slam Greenwald for pointing out the obvious JonLP24 Jun 2015 #53

Snowden destroyed his credibility by not telling the truth, stealing and can't seem to produce a Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #76

You have that backwards, and there is court ruling now that says you could not be more wrong. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #77

the Patriot Act was changed in 2008 and warrants was issued. What Patriot Act was Snowden using Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #80

You don't seem to understand 'Whistle Blowing' so there is no point in trying to explain it to you. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #83

The warrants was issued to the providers of services, not to millions of people. The records was Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #90

We know what it was. So don't try to convince anyone who understands our rights under sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #95

Since you understand the Fourth Amendment then you know Snowden violated our rights by Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #96

Keep digging LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #84

When he speaks, changes his story the next time he speaks, changes his story again, I sure can not Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #89

So YOU knew for sure even though an authoritiy figure in charge said the opposite? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #94

Snowden changed his story more than once, which story do you believe? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #97

Why? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #98

When I am listening to Snowdens speaking I do not consider these as msm. Now back to my question Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #99

What lies? LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #103

He has changed his story about his responsibilities, etc, I doubt even if Snowden told you directly Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #104

Ok this is the last reply LiberalLovinLug Jun 2015 #105

Snowden has never been caught lying. Never. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #86

And now there is a story Aerows Jun 2015 #100

I want names. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #101