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In reply to the discussion: Just food for thought when someone makes a positive post about an event for a Dem Candidate [View all]calimary
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Re: "the talking point that Bernie supporters are the meanies on here" - Obviously my scolding both Bernie AND Hillary supporters did not register.
Re: sheshe2's thread accusing Bernie Sanders of being somehow responsible for Sandy Hook - I have searched. I believe you when you say you saw something about that from sheshe2 but I have not seen it and I have not been able to find it. There was a different thread discussing this but the OP was a different DUer. And I weighed in on that, saying it would be a problem for me if I determined that Bernie Sanders was supporting the gun-rights crowd, or voted for gun manufacturers, or whatever - and that on that same thread people were telling me two completely different AND CONFLICTING sets of information and that I'd have to research it myself.
What I have seen of sheshe2's threads are beautiful and sometimes tragically beautiful pictorials either celebrating President Obama or First Lady Michelle Obama, or mourning the struggle that's so deeply imbedded in the African American experience in this country. I've not seen one attempting to dump on Bernie Sanders.
Re: my opening my eyes - they're wide open, dear friend. But GRANTED, they're not open enough to be able to read and deeply study every last thread and every last post on this board. I'd guess you don't have time in the average day to specialize like that, either. I'm sure we've both got other things happening in the average day to take our attention away from 24/7 scouring DU. So all I can do is post about what I have personally seen or read. Perhaps, in your case, because you've got a life outside DU too, you have not seen either my repeated comments about being very happy and eager to support Bernie Sanders if he beats Hillary Clinton to the nomination; that I like what I hear from Bernie Sanders, and always have; and even that if Hillary weren't in this, I would already have long been settled into the Bernie camp. Nor do I believe in lacerating or snarking at Bernie supporters. I AM BOTH A HILLARY SUPPORTER AND NOT THE ENEMY. And true enough, I have NOT seen vast numbers of pro-Hillary threads bashing Bernie Sanders. GRANTED - there may indeed be some out there, but I simply haven't seen them.
What I HAVE seen, though, and it disturbs me greatly, dear cui bono, and I offer this sincerely, dispassionately, and without snark: There appear to be WAY more supporters on Bernie's side who have vowed that it's Bernie-or-Bust, they won't support any other candidate, they'll sit this one out, they'll vote in every race BUT the one for the Presidency, at best they can only offer "I guess I'll hold my nose and vote" or "well, I'll probably vote for her if I have to, but don't expect me to help or campaign." I have repeatedly seen FAR more of that than I have seen anything from the Hillary camp that corresponds to that kind of pledge among the Bernie-ites. Either other Hillary supporters have promised to do what I've promised to do, which is get onboard with Bernie Sanders, or they don't say one way or the other. VERY FEW Bernie supporters have indicated they'll do that if he doesn't get the nomination.
And I'm on the lookout for that now, too, cui bono, because I among those who need to see that kind of cooperation spread WIDELY throughout the Democratic world. I need to see that to remain convinced we're gonna keep the White House in 2016. I still remember 1968 - when a similar internal war broke out between Hubert Humphrey supporters and Eugene McCarthy supporters. The latter was far more progressive than the former, and the former had felt compelled to support LBJ's prosecution of the Vietnam War because he was LBJ's vice president. It got nasty and ugly and divisive as hell. And that fall, after the convention - which was a mess in and of itself - the election took place and we woke up the next morning in the clutches of richard fucking-republi-CON NIXON. I suspect many here are younger than I am, so they may be too young to have seen or lived through that. But it happened. And I am increasingly fearful that it's gonna happen again. And in that case, I DO single out the Bernie camp. SIMPLY BECAUSE I have not seen or heard nearly as much of the reach-across to the Hillary camp with the "if my guy doesn't make it, then I'm with YOURS" as I have seen from the Hillary people reaching across to the Bernie Sanders camp. More often than not, I regret to say, I've seen far more Bernie supporters than Hillary supporters vowing to sit this one out if their candidate doesn't get the nomination. THAT is significant to me and HUGELY worrisome to me, too. I'm genuinely fearful, because of the ratio I've seen in that regard - that there are Bernie supporters who'd willingly go down with the ship - because WE ARE ALL ON THAT SAME SHIP, and we would ALL go down in that case.
Because the whole point is to keep the White House in Democratic hands. WHOEVER that Democrat might eventually be.