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NewSystemNeeded

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11. It's also insulting.

Mon Jun 15, 2015, 03:15 PM

Jun 2015

FDR was the greatest president of the 20th Century.

He saved a nation on the brink of revolution and successfully built a coalition around enacting his policies. Losing the New Deal coalition was the greatest tragedy in American political history. It made poverty a permanent fixture in the South.

Knitting together an assortment of people by paying lip service to their pet causes, while watering down populist rhetoric doesn't make one FDR.

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Comparing the Clintons to FDR is crazy in my book. [View all] mmonk Jun 2015 OP

Who has compared the Clintons to FDR? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #1

Hillary Clinton OnlinePoker Jun 2015 #7

She was inspired by them, she says... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #12

So was Bill ...right? FFS L0oniX Jun 2015 #69

Haven't really seen a rash of people making the comparison. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #2

Hillary has a better record on human rights, equality, and civil rights. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #3

FACT wyldwolf Jun 2015 #56

Your misunderstanding is evident by your post. mmonk Jun 2015 #60

How so? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #63

Did the Clinton Campaign stage this to emulalate FDR on those issues? mmonk Jun 2015 #65

Does Hillary have a better record on human rights, equality, and civil rights than FDR did? wyldwolf Jun 2015 #66

Most likely as we have advanced a long way since then in certain terms. mmonk Jun 2015 #79

Not 'most likely.' Most definitely wyldwolf Jun 2015 #88

It is silly to compare leaders from different eras. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #4

ot really is. it's anachronistic. cali Jun 2015 #10

The Republicans were in disarray in 1932... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #18

Sure, just like comparing FDR to Lincoln or Jefferson would be crazy. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #5

Had not seen the comparison made. FDR had to deal with a Depression and World War. pampango Jun 2015 #6

Too much history to take into consideration for any MineralMan Jun 2015 #8

Am I missing something or you who have responded? mmonk Jun 2015 #9

I think it was just an opportunistic choice of venue bigtree Jun 2015 #13

Every Dem candidate pays homage to FDR...they can't escape his legacy... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #14

Did Obama pay homage to FDR? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #67

They all did...I don't think people realize just how influential FDR joeybee12 Jun 2015 #72

Quoting someone is not the same as comparing yourself to them. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #16

It's also insulting. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #11

At which "pet causes" are you sneering, new user? geek tragedy Jun 2015 #17

No, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #19

You do need to explain yourself. Because there's really no other way geek tragedy Jun 2015 #21

I didn't sneer at pet causes. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #25

You still have yet to identify what issues you consider "pet causes" and which kinds of people you geek tragedy Jun 2015 #27

There was a concerted efforted by enemies of the New Deal to dismantle the coalition. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #30

Something here is myopic. It was the Democratic party, not the socialists and communists, geek tragedy Jun 2015 #34

It did not. The voting rights did under LBJ did. mmonk Jun 2015 #20

The split up began in 1948 when Truman desegregated the armed forces. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #22

You're ignoring the 3-way split in '48 - the Cold War purge and withdrawal of the progressive Left leveymg Jun 2015 #36

That is exactly what FDR did wyldwolf Jun 2015 #58

Well, the Clintons never did this: NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #15

Extraordinary Rendition was not in the same vein? mmonk Jun 2015 #23

No, not even close. Not in the same ballpark, not even the same sport. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #24

So kidnapping and torture due to ethnicity is not close? mmonk Jun 2015 #26

Extraordinary rendition wasn't done on the basis of ethnicity. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #28

Sorry you do not see the connection between the unconstitutionallity mmonk Jun 2015 #32

I see things very clearly, you're playing a game of "squirrel!" in trying to debate FDR's geek tragedy Jun 2015 #38

This conversation started about Clinton referencing Roosevelt for her campaign. mmonk Jun 2015 #42

Just to be clear, your position is that Democratic candidates should drop any and all geek tragedy Jun 2015 #46

If they have been active in dismantling the New Deal concepts, yes. mmonk Jun 2015 #47

what do you think of the S-CHIP program? nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #48

Interesting that concept "dismantling the New Deal concepts." wyldwolf Jun 2015 #71

Well, if you want to make that comparison. But then your thread subject would be moot... NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #29

It was the Clinton campaign that evoked the comparison, not me. mmonk Jun 2015 #33

Oh how quick we forget CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #37

Just like FDR was a "proud opponent" of anti-lynching legislation when he caved to Southern racists. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #54

Just as Bill Clinton CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #73

If we had intervened (which I believe we should have), NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #74

She'd facilitate the MIC more than he ever did . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #55

Blasphemer!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2015 #57

Why in the world would I want to convince you of anything? rock Jun 2015 #31

I will,guaranteed. mmonk Jun 2015 #35

Proceed, Governor rock Jun 2015 #41

OK. mmonk Jun 2015 #83

Crazy - no, shrewd - yes fadedrose Jun 2015 #39

Thank you. Informed posters are a treat. mmonk Jun 2015 #43

"Those who do this don't even come close to representing the Democratic Party of that time" geek tragedy Jun 2015 #50

"FDR wasn't FDR - until his hand was forced by civil disobedience" YoungDemCA Jun 2015 #40

Not my point but thanks for your input. mmonk Jun 2015 #44

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2015 #45

Thank you. mmonk Jun 2015 #49

Walking around believing "Bernie" can win a presidential campaign is crazy in my book. LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #51

Glad you get enjoyment on that sort of sorted thing. mmonk Jun 2015 #62

So dramatic LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #86

there will be all manner of conspiracy theories and lame excuses.. wyldwolf Jun 2015 #64

It is my understanding that in her speech Hillary said the her husband tryed to emulate FDR in jwirr Jun 2015 #52

LOL. mmonk Jun 2015 #61

Yep. jwirr Jun 2015 #75

I said it before, that's like Dan Quayle comparing himself to JFK . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #53

Bingo mmonk Jun 2015 #59

It's a bold faced crazy lie ...and history proves it. Now Hillary is stealing the "99%" from Occupy L0oniX Jun 2015 #68

FDR caged the bankers. hifiguy Jun 2015 #70

Exactly. She better get away from her husbands administration now or she is going to be in big jwirr Jun 2015 #76

Yes. What a terrible 8 years it was redstateblues Jun 2015 #78

As in all bad policy, there is lag time. mmonk Jun 2015 #81

You do not seem to understand that while the 8 years was not so bad he laid the groundwork jwirr Jun 2015 #87

LOL !!! - I Love The Need To Knock FDR Down To Prop Up Our Present Day Short-Comings... WillyT Jun 2015 #77

Yep. mmonk Jun 2015 #80

I think it would be very educational. Orsino Jun 2015 #82

That is certainly true. mmonk Jun 2015 #84

Would FDR work with UBS? Octafish Jun 2015 #85