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MADem

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53. People like to fight here on DU. I'd rather talk about what is happening in the world.

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:02 AM

Jun 2015

I just don't get the adversarial approach to discussion. Maybe it's a generational thing, and I'm one of the 'left behind' reprobates. I don't get "mad" at people with whom I differ. Life's too short.

A reporter can take what they've written down from both sides and draw conclusions--not opinions--but conclusions based on the facts--not opinions--they have on hand. That will limit the glamor of their stories, but I think that's probably a best way to maintain integrity. Will news outlets take my view on board? Hell no--SEX SELLS! So does fighting, controversy, drama, etc.

Again, if someone quotes a "no climate change" nitwit, there's nothing wrong with adding that "... in a poll of X number of scientists, only two percent agreed with him, and both were emeritus professors in advanced stages of dementia" --so long as it's a fact.

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Reporter Who Wrote Times 'Snowden' Propaganda Admits He's Just Writing What UK Gov't Told Him [View all] marmar Jun 2015 OP

. AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #1

That bullshit article Aerows Jun 2015 #11

Author of That Horrible Snowden Article Has Even Worse CNN Interview Wilms Jun 2015 #2

That interview was unreal Aerows Jun 2015 #27

Anybody, and I mean anybody, could have just made up that story. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #31

He's not a reporter, he's a scribe CanonRay Jun 2015 #77

MUST WATCH /\ G_j Jun 2015 #62

I really don't want "reporters" to MADem Jun 2015 #3

But in this case, he didn't seek out the other side of the story ...... marmar Jun 2015 #4

I agree--he should have gotten an "opposing view" quote. There's more here, certainly. MADem Jun 2015 #9

No--he shouldn't have gotten an "opposing view" quote truebluegreen Jun 2015 #36

Where did I say anything about giving equal weight? If a reporter goes to one source MADem Jun 2015 #46

I apologize. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #48

We're fine--I like a nice chat! No worries. nt MADem Jun 2015 #55

No, they are supposed to ferret out the truth. Facts are facts in that world. cui bono Jun 2015 #8

Most excellent post! Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #14

Why thank you. cui bono Jun 2015 #43

They aren't supposed to give us their OPINIONS on what "the truth" is. MADem Jun 2015 #16

I never said that. I said they are supposed to get the facts. cui bono Jun 2015 #19

I didn't say you said that. Can't I have an opinion on the process? MADem Jun 2015 #24

Of course you can, but you were responding directly to my post. cui bono Jun 2015 #25

People like to fight here on DU. I'd rather talk about what is happening in the world. MADem Jun 2015 #53

Yes, people do. cui bono Jun 2015 #68

I know. MADem Jun 2015 #69

Cool. cui bono Jun 2015 #71

The original article made no sense. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #32

I think it was a piece of bloody, fatty meat tied to a line and thrown off the back of the boat. MADem Jun 2015 #56

I disagree that they wouldn't fall on their swords Aerows Jun 2015 #60

I don't think the reform is all that much of a surprise, and I thought the timing had more to do MADem Jun 2015 #64

Uh, speaking of SF86's blowing up in people's faces ... Aerows Jun 2015 #65

I agree with that, too. The oversight stunk on ice. There's a lot of entrenched idiocy. MADem Jun 2015 #66

I started a post on it Aerows Jun 2015 #70

I wondered if this was part of the larger problem, as well... MADem Jun 2015 #72

Kind of looks necessary Aerows Jun 2015 #73

They could reissue SSANs. It would be a big job, but not insurmountable. MADem Jun 2015 #74

They are covering something up or someone else in the complex web of private contractors JDPriestly Jun 2015 #78

The Chinese and Russians do it differently than we do--they put their hackers in uniform. MADem Jun 2015 #79

There is just some information that should not be placed on any computer system. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #80

If they KNOW that people are gonna play games and screw around, they should bite the bullet and MADem Jun 2015 #86

I totally agree. There is no excuse for the sloppiness involved in this scandal no matter JDPriestly Jun 2015 #88

Here we go. This is what happened to the personnel information in the US: JDPriestly Jun 2015 #101

Fact checking is fine, too. But it's more of a challenge when you agree to quote a source MADem Jun 2015 #35

Journalism 101: if you have only one unattributed source, Don't Go To Print with it. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #38

That hasn't been the standard for years. I don't think it would be a bad idea to go back to it, MADem Jun 2015 #49

Just because a source says something doesn't make it the truth. cui bono Jun 2015 #41

That is true. Judith Miller, etc. MADem Jun 2015 #51

No shit, end of discussion of who, what, when, where, why and for added value HOW!!! mrdmk Jun 2015 #84

Made me think of this: cui bono Jun 2015 #89

Yep, there is some bullshit happening somewhere! mrdmk Jun 2015 #103

Actually. They should be investigators. What people are saying are not necessarily facts. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #12

I've no problem with investigative reporting, either. MADem Jun 2015 #17

Oh give it up. You were on the poopy-head band wagon until the reporter revealed himself Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #20

Not at all. As I've said, I think this is a long game. MADem Jun 2015 #37

No offense, MADem Aerows Jun 2015 #21

I definitely served and retired! MADem Jun 2015 #29

It's rather farfetched Aerows Jun 2015 #33

I am not saying that either. MADem Jun 2015 #39

Addendum Aerows Jun 2015 #42

Fair point...and you can add "candidate" to that as well! nt MADem Jun 2015 #47

You certainly can Aerows Jun 2015 #57

To pretend that reporters are objective, impartial and without an agenda is at best naive...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #30

I don't say they are. I say the ones that are worthy of any respect should strive for that ideal. nt MADem Jun 2015 #45

Yeah that is the problem with garbage pundits, that is exactly what they do. Rex Jun 2015 #66

That is one of the most FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #75

Well, your mind is made up and have a nice day. See you in Nov of next year--if you're still here. MADem Jun 2015 #87

Seriously? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #81

Read the thread. I didn't say that. In fact, I said the opposite. MADem Jun 2015 #85

I responded to what you wrote. If you managed to backtrack and revise that nonsense so what? Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #93

Don't you dare read the full conversation... MADem Jun 2015 #94

Provable falsehoods are not a side, imo Babel_17 Jun 2015 #92

Please read the full conversation, which took place a day before you decided to chime in. MADem Jun 2015 #95

Please don't make assumptions (and I'm not wild about the "chime in" dig) Babel_17 Jun 2015 #96

I knew someone would be here to stick up for shitty reporting and sloppy propaganda. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #98

Really? Tuesday? MADem Jun 2015 #99

No idea what you're talking about, but my question was strictly a courtesy--no hidden meaning. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #100

Correct. Someone who simply hands readers what the government handed him or her is merrily Jun 2015 #5

They are a mouthpiece Aerows Jun 2015 #18

And now, we have a law that says our government can propagandize us. Considering networks were merrily Jun 2015 #23

It's no secret "Media" all around the world Alittleliberal Jun 2015 #50

Stenographers. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #6

LMAO! Aerows Jun 2015 #7

This is good for a larf.. frylock Jun 2015 #10

First thing that came to mind when I saw that interview. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #13

If you look at who rec'd it Aerows Jun 2015 #44

I know Aerows Jun 2015 #15

LMAO 840high Jun 2015 #34

I knew exactly! what post that was without even looking. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #40

so did I! nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #61

That's pretty damn funny Doctor_J Jun 2015 #54

Classic! The "epitome of the genre". Zorra Jun 2015 #102

See up thread, "reporters should be stenographers". Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #82

Now where is everyone who started screeching SNOWDEN TRAITOR(TM)!!! all over again? daredtowork Jun 2015 #22

Not gullible schmucks Aerows Jun 2015 #26

Let me join you Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #58

That was pretty obvious. Another mindless tool posing as a 'reporter'. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #28

He did his job Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #52

"I vas just following orders." Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #59

The Sunday Times sends DMCA notice to critics of Snowden hacking story Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #63

Sick and lazy reporting. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #76

Shouldn't we all trust our government? See GWB and IWR for solution to quiz. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #83

Oh, so now DU has gone back to hating anon gov't sources again?? Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #90

Stenography was his minor, and he aced it (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2015 #91

Recommend...saw an interview with him...sheesh..... KoKo Jun 2015 #97