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oberliner

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162. You did not need to change "less" to "fewer"
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:25 AM
Jun 2015

From Grammar Girl:

10 Items or Less
Finally, the simple and ubiquitous grocery store signs that read 10 Items or Less aren’t the clear-cut abomination that many people believe them to be.

Although Garner’s Modern American Usage says that 10 items or fewer is the correct choice, other reference books such as Merriam-Webster’s Dictionary of English Usage and The Cambridge Guide to English Usage note that the admonition that writers should not use less for countable items is relatively new, beginning as the personal opinion of one usage writer from the 1700s, and the Oxford English Dictionary has examples of less being used with countable items going back to nearly the dawn of printed English and continuing to this day. I find it impressive that the first citation of less being used with a countable noun in the OED comes from King Alfred the Great himself. He was the great promoter of English over Latin, and in the year 888, wrote about less words.

Language researchers tend to believe that using less with some countable nouns is natural and that the restriction against doing so is constructed and forced. For example, Mark Liberman reported on the linguistics site Language Log that in real writing—both from Google News and the Web in general—instances of “N votes or less” far exceeded “N votes or fewer.”

http://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/less-versus-fewer?page=2#sthash.kffcs2rE.dpuf

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