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27. it's not clear who this person (or the op) is debating or refuting
Tue Jun 16, 2015, 09:18 AM
Jun 2015

...but I'll offer something here which will probably get pushed aside in favor of this reflexive political defensiveness, much like my other attempts to define what I think the concern about Sanders and other candidates' dearth of rhetoric IN THIS CAMPAIGN about race, immigration, and other issues *which he's clearly supported in the past in outstanding form and fashion is all about.

Presidential campaigns and other elections are more than an opportunity to advance a political career of a candidate. They are, as Bernie's call for a political revolution behind his own campaign suggests, an opportunity to elevate issues, interests, and concerns to a national level of debate and discussion to advance those along with the candidate's ascent into office; presumably, to further advance those interests, initiatives, or concerns into action or law.

What advocates of issues of race, gender, immigration, sexual identity rights and opportunity, are asking is for their issues, interests, and concerns to be given a prominent and consistent place in and among the candidates' political rhetoric and appeal to voters. It's just as relevant an expectation, for example, as demanding candidates address economic issues and give those prominence in their discussion and debate in the campaign.

One of the standard defenses in response to these calls for more vocal representation in the campaign for these issues is that a candidates' record should suffice, in the absence of vocalizing that support on the campaign trail. I think there are obvious problems with that reasoning; one of the most apparent is the inability of many voters to access that information, as well as the disassociation of that history with current policy or initiatives which may not be sufficient to the issues of the day.

Campaigns prioritize their rhetoric and message in very precise and calculated ways. It's not at all unreasonable to challenge those campaigns to highlight an interest or issue which one feels is important to them - individually, or to a particular group or constituency. Defending against calls or demands from candidates for more representation of particular interests or concerns on the campaign trail by pointing out past affinities is little more than a deflection from what is actually being asked for.

It may well be impossible to satisfy the desires of every interest or concern of every individual or group - as Bernie said, to the effect that he can't answer 50+ questions a day - but it is neither 'sleazy,' or necessarily 'political' in the demeaning sense that this writer suggests, to have such expectations or make such demands that theirs be an integral part of a candidate's rhetoric. It is the essence of a political election in which voters work to project their interests and concerns onto a campaign, as much as candidates attempt to project their concerns and interests to voters.


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Thank you Cali Kalidurga Jun 2015 #1
KnR SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #2
K&R Scuba Jun 2015 #3
This native Vermonter thanks you for setting the record straight. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #4
This is why we favor Bernie! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #5
Let's look at some Democrats who voted for DOMA: Paul Wellstone. People adore him as a Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #6
I called it a civil rights issue. I always have. I refer to LGBT rights. cali Jun 2015 #7
But still it is this cordoning off of minority rights as a separate from the rights of others. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #20
Once again, a shining example of "liberals" ignoring what PoC (and others) are saying/have said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #8
Do you ever get tired of just pounding your head against a brick wall? leftofcool Jun 2015 #10
Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #16
I'm starting to wonder whether ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #22
It's the result of baseless accusations and 'concern' about Sanders. cui bono Jun 2015 #34
Really? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #38
You're not a stupid person and you are on DU a lot. cui bono Jun 2015 #40
Then PM a couple to me ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #42
do elaborate. how is this ignoring what PoC are saying? cali Jun 2015 #12
The explanation is simple. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #15
Wow. I can't believe that posts about Sanders record of fighting for equality for ALL cui bono Jun 2015 #33
Please stop ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #37
What's the point of using that hyperbole? cui bono Jun 2015 #39
Okay ... you are clearly unable/unwilling to understand what I am talking about ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #41
I understand the difference between social and economic. cui bono Jun 2015 #45
Really ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #47
That thought was about the general population, not limited to PoC. cui bono Jun 2015 #49
Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #50
cali, You said just a word or two... pangaia Jun 2015 #9
Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2015 #11
I will vote for him heaven05 Jun 2015 #13
He has addressed the current issues repeatedly. He spoke up clearly about the injustices cali Jun 2015 #14
yep heaven05 Jun 2015 #29
Perfectly said BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #36
Kick and R. Great post. BeanMusical Jun 2015 #17
K & R L0oniX Jun 2015 #18
Bernie sees everything through an economic lens. He's minimized social justice in two interviews KittyWampus Jun 2015 #19
Easily disproven that he has a long held passionate belief in civil rights and social justice cali Jun 2015 #23
He doesn't get it and you don't either, then. It's about his viewing things primarily and solely KittyWampus Jun 2015 #24
he's done far more than just talk about it- so yeah, you are not being honest, kitty cali Jun 2015 #25
I think he knows that the harder fight is economic justice Babel_17 Jun 2015 #31
So you didn't even read the op, much less the linked article Doctor_J Jun 2015 #32
Not if you look at his record and his actions. cui bono Jun 2015 #35
Did you see the interview with Katie Couric? Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #51
Thats much better,,,,,,,,, Cryptoad Jun 2015 #21
Does not need to explain away his record, it stands up, and that's rare (nt) Babel_17 Jun 2015 #26
it's not clear who this person (or the op) is debating or refuting bigtree Jun 2015 #27
I'm sorry, but your constant donning of martyr's attire is a bituch. cali Jun 2015 #43
now you're just being abusive - even though I took my time to write this thoughtful response to you bigtree Jun 2015 #44
K&R+++++++++++++++++++ newfie11 Jun 2015 #28
No question. His record is excellent on these issues. MineralMan Jun 2015 #30
Nicely written and covers it all. thanks. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #46
Kick and rec. hifiguy Jun 2015 #48
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