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jeff47

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41. Uh, she wrote a book, you know.

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 10:59 AM

Jun 2015

And in Hard Choices, she said the TPP was "the gold standard" of trade treaties. AKA, she liked it and agreed with it.

Now, she has kinda sorta said that it may not be the best thing ever.

That's a wee bit different of a position than "the gold standard".

This is the media-driven conflict and destructive meme - the red meat for the haters and 'anyone buts.'

If someone is going to claim Clinton is a good choice because of her track record, then every part of her track record is in the campaign. Not just her 2016 campaign speeches.

Thanks to the long history of politicians of both parties lying in campaigns, we have to turn to their track records to see what they really believe. That isn't a "gotcha" or "media-driven conflict". It's basic due diligence.

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45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill she now opposes (TPP) [View all] Man from Pickens Jun 2015 OP

It's really an inferred opposition, weasel words for more wiggle room. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #1

That GIF.... Bonobo Jun 2015 #2

it gives context to the logo AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #3

LOLariffic! Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #50

Uhhh...which way to the Hospital? SoapBox Jun 2015 #11

ha! I know! glinda Jun 2015 #79

Perfect MissDeeds Jun 2015 #31

......! KoKo Jun 2015 #49

That says it all! Aerows Jun 2015 #75

45 times Clinton pushed for trade bill that she is still pushing by looking for ways to save it Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #4

Damn I wished people knew how Government worked. William769 Jun 2015 #5

Oh shit. Better not tell that to the interested industry & lobbyists AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #6

Um. F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #8

Re you kidding me????????????????????? leftofcool Jun 2015 #16

Yeah no problem. F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #19

Oh, hey, I am perfectly willing to believe that all she did was follow orders, djean111 Jun 2015 #24

The Constitution specifies the role of the Secretary of State BainsBane Jun 2015 #57

And look at all the shit I caught for saying what I said. William769 Jun 2015 #58

See response 9. F4lconF16 Jun 2015 #63

Damn I wish some people knew how integrity and principles worked. cui bono Jun 2015 #9

+1 LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #34

I think it's adorable how people think that this game has never been played before. Autumn Jun 2015 #37

I think it's sad when people can't admit they are wrong and move on William769 Jun 2015 #59

My boat floats just fine William, I or no one else need worry about that. Autumn Jun 2015 #62

You really don't know how government works. Exilednight Jun 2015 #15

Wonder if we can get a civics 101 class started? leftofcool Jun 2015 #18

Exactly. She was working for Obama at the time. Every single one BreakfastClub Jun 2015 #20

Her memoir was released 372 days ago. How many days since she's been SoS? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #25

Hey bro' madokie Jun 2015 #46

You are correct, Sir. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #52

Same to you madokie Jun 2015 #55

"She was just following orders!1" m-lekktor Jun 2015 #29

Was she "just following orders" when she wrote her book after she was SoS? jeff47 Jun 2015 #33

Guess what, Obama's Cabinet was not a command and control organization. Particularly for Hillary. leveymg Jun 2015 #38

So she was conscripted as SoS? frylock Jun 2015 #66

Remember you said it, I didn't William769 Jun 2015 #67

So if she didn't agree with what she was asked to do, she had the opportunity to leave? frylock Jun 2015 #68

Like I said have fun spinning this. William769 Jun 2015 #69

But I thought this was a Civics 101 lesson? frylock Jun 2015 #70

As one person put it, she could have resigned. backscatter712 Jun 2015 #73

Look, this weekend she made it perfectly clear......oh, wait, nevermind... Indepatriot Jun 2015 #7

The treaty has been changing over time, so the only position that matters now pnwmom Jun 2015 #10

So you're saying that her position is evolving over time? Fearless Jun 2015 #12

I don't have to have seen the document to know that, over the last few years, pnwmom Jun 2015 #13

I am pretty sure this is one of those hopeless things, ya know? leftofcool Jun 2015 #17

If it wasn't pro-big business when she said it was good in her book jeff47 Jun 2015 #40

If that's true, then she should be able to easily explain Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #27

Well, we really aren't sure she opposes it are we? tularetom Jun 2015 #14

This is true! Like most issues, she's on the fence to keep options open & not tick anyone off RiverLover Jun 2015 #30

It almost makes one suspect that Secretary Clinton will say whatever she thinks her audience wants. Scuba Jun 2015 #21

Did she put on a fake southern accent again? LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #35

Southern accents just ooze sincerity, don't they? Scuba Jun 2015 #42

It may be that her comments came across as unclear because she was in such haste LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #56

When did Sec. Clinton start opposing it? n/t Orsino Jun 2015 #22

Yesterday. bigwillq Jun 2015 #28

Next week? Autumn Jun 2015 #36

So far the funniest thing to come out of this is... FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #23

These replies sound like the blind leading the blind. pangaia Jun 2015 #26

See - here is the dog whistle! yallerdawg Jun 2015 #32

Uh, she wrote a book, you know. jeff47 Jun 2015 #41

"Basic due diligence?" yallerdawg Jun 2015 #43

So you actually quote her saying it's "The Gold Standard", and claim she has no position. jeff47 Jun 2015 #45

Well, you got me. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #51

You think I needed to re-quote the context you quoted. jeff47 Jun 2015 #53

This sort of thing is becoming rather common. okasha Jun 2015 #71

Two old sayings. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #72

True. okasha Jun 2015 #74

Exactly. But way too subtle for the Hillary bashing crowd. DanTex Jun 2015 #64

I agree. yallerdawg Jun 2015 #77

Remember, Bill pretended to oppose "free" trade with China in 1992 Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2015 #39

I can't wait to get to vote for her madokie Jun 2015 #44

Mushy non-positions allow people to project their own positions on to her. jeff47 Jun 2015 #47

yup madokie Jun 2015 #48

Actually, Elizabeth Warren is NOT against the trade bill, she is against the fast track authority, still_one Jun 2015 #54

Wrong Oilwellian Jun 2015 #60

I am relating what her office told me when I called them several months ago still_one Jun 2015 #61

I hate to state the obvious, but the TPP is and has been a work in progress. DanTex Jun 2015 #65

Since she doesn't have a vote in TPP it really doesn't matter if she is for or against TPP. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #76

It is interesting to me that people will believe Cnn's interpretation Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #78