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joeybee12

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288. Nice try, but the thread is about guns...

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 12:41 PM

Jun 2015

Face it, Sanders has flaws...most people who support him can admit it...but some just look the other way and try to hjijack the thread to bash Hilary..it's pathetic and frightening.

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Sanders: invested in the interests of gun owners--and manufacturers [View all] Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 OP

We know these things happen, the members of Congress are not immune to voting in the interest of Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #1

Let me ask you. Wilms Jun 2015 #9

The point was yes he votes with corporations. This isn't the only occassion where he votes with the Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #23

... GGJohn Jun 2015 #34

It may nor be appealing to you but to compare apples to oranges as you have with Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #38

No, you don't. GGJohn Jun 2015 #39

Guns, unlike vehicles, okasha Jun 2015 #104

Wrong. GGJohn Jun 2015 #106

"There is no excuse even for making such a device" beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #112

My candidate and I differ. So? okasha Jun 2015 #119

When did the Govt create the Dept. of Needs? GGJohn Jun 2015 #123

Probably about the time it began requiring okasha Jun 2015 #132

So what does any of that have to do with Sanders? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #124

I differ with him, too. okasha Jun 2015 #139

I agree with protecting manufacturers from lawsuits stemming from misuse of their products. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #148

I agree as well: manufacturers (of any product) should not he held petronius Jun 2015 #169

Calling him a "gun nut" because he supported the PLCAA is moronic. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #172

Plus madokie Jun 2015 #250

Exactly nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #133

wowzer fail again. Bernie has been voting for gun control long before cali Jun 2015 #45

His votes connects him to corporations. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #86

And Hilary's time on Walmarts board of directors doesnt connect her to corporations? Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #178

Bazinga. nt SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #277

Yes he started voting against gun control after he was elected to the House. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #292

That's a stretch given the context. Wilms Jun 2015 #58

He also voted for UBC after Sandy Hook aikoaiko Jun 2015 #74

Votes with corporations JonLP24 Jun 2015 #179

You can do better. Wilms Jun 2015 #291

One way they are different is the second amendment mythology Jun 2015 #51

Firearms manufacturer's are forbidden by Federal law from selling directly to the public. GGJohn Jun 2015 #56

Some of the scumbags could have back ground checks. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #293

And what has that to do with the manufacturer's? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #299

They have deep pockets and could pay damages rather than support NRA. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #304

And why should they have to pay for the 3rd party misuse of their products? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #305

Why not, the NRA fights every sensible gun bill. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #307

So the auto manufacturers should pay for the injuries that drunk drivers cause GGJohn Jun 2015 #308

You say I am not making any sense, if the gun manufacturers has money to pay to NRA, then they have Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #309

But why should they have to pay for the actions of a 3rd party? GGJohn Jun 2015 #311

Does gun manufacturers and NRA support sensible gun control bills? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #312

What does that have to do with the PLCAA? GGJohn Jun 2015 #314

Because they are not sensible. You are not winning any friends of the gun manufacturers with your Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #315

Huh? GGJohn Jun 2015 #316

That's a stretch too. Wilms Jun 2015 #59

Guns are different. DCBob Jun 2015 #84

I shot someone with a pillow and hammered it home with a chainsaw Demonaut Jun 2015 #164

So what about rat poison? Wilms Jun 2015 #170

You said this? sheshe2 Jun 2015 #191

I wasn't claiming which method is more often used. Wilms Jun 2015 #207

it depends on the manufacturer's culpability, if the manufacturer lobbies for weak gun laws Demonaut Jun 2015 #257

Not in the eyes of the law. GGJohn Jun 2015 #258

and you're right, the laws are enforced and upheld by politicians, politicians in the Supreme Court Demonaut Jun 2015 #262

And you read that where? n/t Wilms Jun 2015 #259

Would you kindly post a link to that? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #261

here Demonaut Jun 2015 #264

This was in 1998, GGJohn Jun 2015 #265

that is true, 65-31 vote and signed by GWB into law, the SC sides with the law Demonaut Jun 2015 #266

And SC justices are loath to revisit settled law, GGJohn Jun 2015 #267

sometimes they have no choice about revisiting Demonaut Jun 2015 #268

The problem with your scenario is that these lawsuits are dismissed long before GGJohn Jun 2015 #270

This message was self-deleted by its author Demonaut Jun 2015 #271

in simplistic comparison, and I'm not insulting you Demonaut Jun 2015 #272

I know you're not insulting me, this debate has been very civil, which is somewhat unusual GGJohn Jun 2015 #273

are you an attorney? your responses are well informed, what is your advocacy concerning this issue? Demonaut Jun 2015 #275

No, I'm a retired Army helicopter pilot, GGJohn Jun 2015 #276

I agree with many aspects of RKBA and pandora's box was opened long ago concerning guns Demonaut Jun 2015 #279

I believe that universal background checks should be instituted, GGJohn Jun 2015 #280

it does, the NRA supported some of the reforms you listed but now adamantly opposed to them now Demonaut Jun 2015 #286

They still support BGC's for FFL dealers, but they adamently GGJohn Jun 2015 #300

yeah, the gun show loop hole, gun shows used to be more swap meet Demonaut Jun 2015 #310

Definitely, GGJohn Jun 2015 #313

What does that have to do with the PLCAA? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #221

Puerto Rico is part of the United States Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #269

Wow, that's ugly of you. Tell ya what, every time I see you do something childish like MADem Jun 2015 #208

We can go all night. Wilms Jun 2015 #215

If cartoons and bumper-stickers are all a person has, I guess we may expect little else from you... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #249

Ever here of a political cartoon? Wilms Jun 2015 #253

You! sheshe2 Jun 2015 #229

Sick of this stuff--it's just beyond the pale. MADem Jun 2015 #237

Yeah, the dire looking pic actually looks like this: freshwest Jun 2015 #245

Guns Have One Purpose LeFleur1 Jun 2015 #283

Peace loving, non-hunter, target-shooting friends of mine disagree. Wilms Jun 2015 #290

If you're not going to kill (or wound) someone or something rock Jun 2015 #302

As I said above... Wilms Jun 2015 #306

It's a sport. My father taught me how to shoot when I was a kid and neither of us hunt. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #318

Wrong, GGJohn Jun 2015 #301

sorry but Bernie has never taken a penny from gun manufacturers or the NRA cali Jun 2015 #42

Great post cali. GGJohn Jun 2015 #44

You can post what you want but he voted with the gun manufacturers. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #47

Gun manufacturers in Vermont 1939 Jun 2015 #50

not in recent years. He voted for a ban on high capacity magazines cali Jun 2015 #60

Well, Wall Street is sure in NY so the corporation posts goes to both Hillary and Bernie. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #61

Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. Stop smokey nj Jun 2015 #67

Bernie and Hillary are on the corporate train together. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #68

Um, no. But thanks for trying. smokey nj Jun 2015 #69

Oh, yes, did not have to try, Bernie helped me. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #72

Name the corporation. smokey nj Jun 2015 #107

He voted with the gun manufacturers. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #111

No, he voted the way his constituents wanted him to. GGJohn Jun 2015 #114

Hillary also voted on IWR because of her constitutes, guess it makes their votes Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #118

According to her constituents? GGJohn Jun 2015 #131

Wait. Weren't most New Yorkers opposed to the Iraq War? Fawke Em Jun 2015 #222

I'm a constituant Nite Owl Jun 2015 #303

Again, name ine corporation. smokey nj Jun 2015 #115

Here Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #117

How much money did they give Bernie? smokey nj Jun 2015 #120

I don't know, the list i see is campaign funds, he could have gotten money for a speech, don't know Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #130

You're the one making the accusation, it's your responsibility smokey nj Jun 2015 #136

Hey Smokey, I did not make an accusation, I said he voted with the gun manufacturers, you are the Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #165

You're being deliberately obtuse so there isn't any point continuing smokey nj Jun 2015 #173

Actually I am using talking point from DU, how many times have you read Hillary is a corporatists? Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #180

Really? DUers think Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11? smokey nj Jun 2015 #181

I am not one of those. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #184

Then you should probably stop using 9/11 to justify Hillary's smokey nj Jun 2015 #188

Post #114 said Bernie was voting for his constituents, I said Hillary voted on IWR for her Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #210

So Hillary voted to invade the wrong country on behalf of her constituents? smokey nj Jun 2015 #212

Yes, because NY'ers were so pro-war! Oilwellian Jun 2015 #295

nope. no speeches. cali Jun 2015 #205

Senators can't give paid speeches, mmmmmKay? truebluegreen Jun 2015 #219

He didn't get a cent. 840high Jun 2015 #225

Who the hell are those companies? Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #185

exactly, vermont really doesn't have a gun industry cali Jun 2015 #206

lol. cali Jun 2015 #204

Good. Wilms Jun 2015 #71

Yep, when I see the corporate train with Hillary I know Bernie is right there also. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #73

yet you have given absolutely zero proof of that claim marym625 Jun 2015 #231

He didn't have to take a penny, but the NRA STILL PUT HIM IN CONGRESS. MADem Jun 2015 #216

Gotcha, maybe the ones looking for tge money will find it, I was pointing out the votes. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #228

Ooops Bernie. Oooops sheshe2 Jun 2015 #274

Nice try, but the thread is about guns... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #288

Only an idiot RandySF Jun 2015 #83

Perhaps you meant to reply to me? Wilms Jun 2015 #96

Typical... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #287

Neoliberals already tried this smear. 99Forever Jun 2015 #2

Smear? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #3

I know "the truth." 99Forever Jun 2015 #4

Because you called it a "smear." Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #6

Oh, and if it's truth you want.... 99Forever Jun 2015 #8

Ummm, so you are not interested in Bernie's view on Gun Control? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #10

I know them. I told you that. Comprehension problem? 99Forever Jun 2015 #21

Right back atcha...Your questions Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #24

What your candidates position on killing tens of thousands? 99Forever Jun 2015 #27

Sorry, evergreen. I'll keep pointing out your dissembling cali Jun 2015 #46

Hmmmm... Well this presents a BIG problem for me. calimary Jun 2015 #13

One more time: Bernie has voted for gun control for years cali Jun 2015 #49

Vermont has been the home of one of the gun makers since the Revolutionary War. Bernie can jwirr Jun 2015 #16

That is big of you. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #18

I have searched for gun manufactors in Vermont but did not find them. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #26

Put "gun manufacturers in Vermont" into google and you will get some. former9thward Jun 2015 #43

Thanks. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #48

Look into them 1939 Jun 2015 #66

Fascinating information I'm sure. former9thward Jun 2015 #70

We're likely to see the same three or four "controversies" recycled over and over and over frylock Jun 2015 #17

called it Mnpaul Jun 2015 #234

How is it a smear? treestar Jun 2015 #55

It's not a smear RandySF Jun 2015 #85

Of course it is. 99Forever Jun 2015 #91

It is a smear, he lied about the PLCAA and Sanders' record. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #110

Good. H2O Man Jun 2015 #5

Now I get why the libertarians are scared he will steal their Ron Paul like votes. /nt jakeXT Jun 2015 #7

There is no perfect candidate or politician. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #11

my sentiment exactly! Fast Walker 52 Jun 2015 #102

He's on solid ground here though. No fears. Cayenne Jun 2015 #241

He's never taken a penny from either the NRA or any gun manufacturer cali Jun 2015 #12

prove that Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #14

sure cali Jun 2015 #29

The NRA helped Bernie get elected by going after his opponent over the auto weapons ban.. Sancho Jun 2015 #168

no they did not I was there. they went after Peter, but they did not cali Jun 2015 #171

Unfortunately, that's not the record and the reference... Sancho Jun 2015 #186

what i said is exactly what your link said, hon. they went after peter. bernie benefited cali Jun 2015 #200

What auto weapons ban? GGJohn Jun 2015 #177

I just read the report in the book.... Sancho Jun 2015 #193

More likely you don't know what the hell you're talking about. GGJohn Jun 2015 #213

From what I see, he was influenced by outsiders in some cases...this is one. Sancho Jun 2015 #220

my goodness, you sure do have a tendency to run, run away when you're proven wrong cali Jun 2015 #37

Actually Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #63

lol. I sure as shit did. And it was fun cali Jun 2015 #75

This is beneath a DUer. Orsino Jun 2015 #284

per Center for Responsive Politics nd Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violences magical thyme Jun 2015 #97

He doesn't have to take money from them. It's if he VOTES calimary Jun 2015 #20

What to hold weapon manufacturers to the same Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #33

He hasn't for years. He's voted for a ban on assault weapons and for cali Jun 2015 #35

Doesn't have to treestar Jun 2015 #57

what part of he's voted for gun control for years, is so difficult to grasp? cali Jun 2015 #62

Wow! i figured he would be for stricter gun control. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #15

Which will make him an easier sell in my neck of the woods. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #19

So, its politically expedient for him to back the NRA? Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #22

"Sanders scores F by NRA on pro-gun rights policies." NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #25

what part of " he's voted consistently for gun control over the past decade or more" cali Jun 2015 #30

Yes, it saddens me that there is no perfect candidate, no magic wand wielding superman or woman. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #28

Good for him. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #31

I would vote against allowing people to sue gun manufactures as well. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #32

Agreed. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #88

You win the internet. beevul Jun 2015 #252

When I told Obama supporters in '08 that I couldn't support him, not on one issue but most, LWolf Jun 2015 #36

Cool beans! Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #40

Luckily, I have been admonished so very many times about being a "purist" that this does djean111 Jun 2015 #41

Good on him. beevul Jun 2015 #52

After being lectured for near on 7 years about how criticism of treestar Jun 2015 #53

This one's been tried, and failed, several times already. arcane1 Jun 2015 #54

I do not understand this response. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #64

lol. you posted it because you were pissed about proof that Hillary had endorsed the TPP cali Jun 2015 #78

Gun control is about #101 on my list of the 100 issues on which I would judge a candidate tularetom Jun 2015 #65

The problem isn't guns so much anyway. It's our culture. Kalidurga Jun 2015 #89

This again? aikoaiko Jun 2015 #76

Not exactly the same as supporting the MIC is it. L0oniX Jun 2015 #77

So what. I STILL back Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton. Next? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #79

Good for you. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #82

Where did I say my candidate was Bernie Sanders? And where did I say "my candidate" WASN'T perfect? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #87

Gun owners should have a place in the Democratic Party Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #80

Works for me. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #81

Voted against The Brady Act? horseshoecrab Jun 2015 #90

The Brady act was a flawed bill hootinholler Jun 2015 #103

The Brady Bill was all about background checks . . . horseshoecrab Jun 2015 #116

He felt it should be handled at the state level n/t arcane1 Jun 2015 #251

I'm not anti-gun LittleBlue Jun 2015 #92

Good. He's electable if he's about one thing only. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jun 2015 #93

Here is Bernie's record on guns magical thyme Jun 2015 #94

Great post. Wilms Jun 2015 #100

Facts. I love facts. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #145

What kind of idiot calls Sanders a "gun nut"? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #95

Thank you, scotty. SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #101

You're welcome. How much more dishonest can they get? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #109

Dishonesty and disgusting smears are all they have. smokey nj Jun 2015 #122

Exactly, look at the posts by Hillary supporters in this thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #138

It's positively Rovian. smokey nj Jun 2015 #147

Yes! Look at #129 blaming him for what happened in Aurora. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #151

Single-issue nuts. nt NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #137

Yep. I'm not anti-gun. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #144

I find it interesting that neither Thinkingabout nor Evergreen Emerald have acknowledged or ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #235

Thinkingabout moved on to the dupe thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #236

a desperate one Doctor_J Jun 2015 #239

LMAO! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #240

I never have been able to understand Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #98

As of last year or so it has been legal to trqnsport guns in checked luggage oneshooter Jun 2015 #189

I knew that. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #211

No. Cut and past without looking. oneshooter Jun 2015 #227

Why the most liberal candidate for president opposes strict gun control magical thyme Jun 2015 #99

You mean a populist voted against legislation that was unpopular in the state he represents? NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #142

This will make him more popular to the general public - TBF Jun 2015 #105

It's only an issue inside the DU bubble Cayenne Jun 2015 #242

If true, and I believe Bernie has explained this in understsandable terms, it JDPriestly Jun 2015 #108

Better to be pro gun than to be pro free trade. nt WDIM Jun 2015 #113

I saw an interview that addressed his record a few days ago Gloria Jun 2015 #121

He said Vermont has no gun laws? beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #127

Yes, HE DID... Gloria Jun 2015 #281

"Not very empathetic" with whom? SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #150

His tone. I know he is direct but Gloria Jun 2015 #282

Gotcha. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #285

Yeah, I live here in NM now but when I talk Gloria Jun 2015 #297

That is interesting to hear. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #298

This is one reason I have problems with Bernie Sanders... Sancho Jun 2015 #125

"Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #134

I don't care about the NRA...I care about the laws I see .... Sancho Jun 2015 #140

Right. You just blamed him for what happened in Aurora. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #153

To my recollection, the NRA SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #161

Not to mention he doesn't take money from the NRA or other gun rights organizations: beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #167

Really. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #176

That was the intent of the op. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #182

Bernie has consistently voted on guns in a way I disagree with.... Sancho Jun 2015 #126

What's wrong with that? I see no reason to exclude firearms and ammunition petronius Jun 2015 #143

I don't understand what's wrong with it either. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #156

Really. SusanCalvin Jun 2015 #157

What's different from checked bags on aircraft? GGJohn Jun 2015 #175

Makes me like him even more and he is very wise to say no to lawsuits against manufactures Autumn Jun 2015 #128

Then look at the consequences of votes like Bernie's... Sancho Jun 2015 #141

So who do you support for president? nt Snotcicles Jun 2015 #146

I will vote for the Democratic candidate - none are perfect, but this vote of Bernie's I don't like. Sancho Jun 2015 #158

Look at his recs. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #162

Shall we sue automobile manufactures when some idiot causes a death with an automobile? Autumn Jun 2015 #152

But that's different! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #174

That's just crazy isn't it? Autumn Jun 2015 #187

They're trying to claim he's not supportive of immigration issues in another thread. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #192

I saw that. That's another of their spectacular Autumn Jun 2015 #195

Yes!!! No corporations should be immune from liability... Sancho Jun 2015 #196

If I cut my toe off with a kitchen knife I have no right to sue the silverware manufacturer. Autumn Jun 2015 #199

And I suppose you support SLAPP suits designed to bankrupt a company? GGJohn Jun 2015 #202

The PLCAA isn't about immunity from liability, it's about product misuse lawsuits. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #217

Why is he wrong on the PLCAA? GGJohn Jun 2015 #190

Here are some of the consequences of gun laws like those supported by Bernie!! Sancho Jun 2015 #129

They should be aimed at James Holmes Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #154

No corporation should be immune from liability. Sancho Jun 2015 #160

Corporations are held liable for design faults in their product, GGJohn Jun 2015 #198

Agreed, blaming Sanders for this is absurd. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #163

Game, set and match. okasha Jun 2015 #155

Hardly. GGJohn Jun 2015 #209

And again, why should the manufacturers be held responsible for a 3rd party misuse of their GGJohn Jun 2015 #194

If the manufacturer had no responsibility, then explain it to a jury. Sancho Jun 2015 #201

Why should a corporation have to explain the 3rd party misuse of their product to a jury? GGJohn Jun 2015 #203

If a case has no merit they will loose... Sancho Jun 2015 #214

There is no "special immunity", the law exempts lawsuits for defective products. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #218

Exactly... Sancho Jun 2015 #226

You support a law designed to bankrupt manufacturers because you disapprove of their products. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #230

Do you know the reason for the passage of the PLCAA in 2005? GGJohn Jun 2015 #223

I know the history... Sancho Jun 2015 #233

How are they supposed to find out what he is going to use it for Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #197

Thats a consequence of listening to brady campaign lawyers.... beevul Jun 2015 #255

No - that is the consequence of very bad legal advice hack89 Jun 2015 #256

If anything, the parent's should sue the lawyers who urged them to file this lawsuit, GGJohn Jun 2015 #260

Thats a consequence of the Brady Bunch exploiting grieving family members. aikoaiko Jun 2015 #263

Doesn't bother me in the least. (nt) Inkfreak Jun 2015 #135

Probably because he represents VT where people still hunt for food. glowing Jun 2015 #149

The gun control agenda has overtones of racism and classism bluestateguy Jun 2015 #159

I doubt it that's serious JonLP24 Jun 2015 #166

The Sandy Hook families SHOULD lose their lawsuit. krispos42 Jun 2015 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #246

Last poll on gun ownership for DU members show'd about 50%. Good luck with the pant load. L0oniX Jun 2015 #224

and Hillary is a shill for Wall Street Larkspur Jun 2015 #232

good luck riding that horse to the nomination Doctor_J Jun 2015 #238

Bernie Sanders voted against the Brady Act?!?!?!?!?! lunamagica Jun 2015 #243

because he believed the states should handle the waiting period. magical thyme Jun 2015 #244

Bernie sanders is a senator from a rural state. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #247

And Hilary's constituents work in the financial industry... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #289

I don't disagree. Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #294

His pro-gun record certainly explains the F grade given him by the NRA... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #248

NRA didn't give him any money in recent years, according to Open Secrets: leveymg Jun 2015 #254

It that it? Is that all you got (as the saying goes)? mikehiggins Jun 2015 #278

Kick and highly recommended! William769 Jun 2015 #296

Walmart was the largest single retailer of firearms in the world when Hillary sat on their board. Ikonoklast Jun 2015 #317