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103. I'm curious as well as to what he was doing in Hong Kong?

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 02:40 PM

Jun 2015

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He was there a month, quite a long time. What was he doing at the Russian embassy, as has been reported?

What price was extracted to not be extradicted back to the US by the Chinese?

What price was extracted for asylum in Russia?

There seems to be some realpolitik operating here among all three parties — Snowden,Greenwald,Poitras, the Chinese and the Russians — and not some altruistic mission of doing the "right thing for the American people" as some love to paint it.

Were the files ever out of Snowden's or Greenwald's or Poitras' hands?

Something is shady. Too many unanswered questions to just naively accept the "great, innocent, patriot hero" portrayal of Snowden that so many, even on this board, have succumbed to.

Snowden should have stuck with just releasing domestic spying revelations instead of getting in over his head with all the revelations on covert international operations — but I guess he couldn't help it since he took so many files (hundreds of thousands), the poor soul just didn't have time to read them all.

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I know it's too early to say I've been "vindicated" [View all] Blue_Tires Jun 2015 OP

nope marym625 Jun 2015 #1

+ a kabillion. nt Mojorabbit Jun 2015 #60

Do go on....! MADem Jun 2015 #2

Why is the word, vindicated, in quotes? ..nt TeeYiYi Jun 2015 #3

Because the spellcheck wasn't working for the word, "uninformed"? MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #4

First laugh all day! marym625 Jun 2015 #61

Bazinga! Divernan Jun 2015 #76

Think he's talking about this--if it is true, he's not a whistleblower. MADem Jun 2015 #5

Incorrect. He is only a spy if he deliberately gave the info to Russia and China. Vattel Jun 2015 #22

He transferred the material, and he's never said they forced him to hand anything over. MADem Jun 2015 #28

You have an amazing ability to avoid admitting you are wrong. Vattel Jun 2015 #48

Well, that's not true. But I'm not "wrong" here, so stop mischaracterizing me. MADem Jun 2015 #50

You consistently ignore points that are made and change the subject Vattel Jun 2015 #56

No, I don't. I refuse to allow people to CHANGE the subject, and that can be frustrating, I know. MADem Jun 2015 #59

I didn't change the subject, nor did I give an interpretation of what Snowden did, Vattel Jun 2015 #65

Well, yes, you did. MADem Jun 2015 #69

True, some of my comments were about you, not Snowden. I am cool with that. Vattel Jun 2015 #82

What an interesting comment! betsuni Jun 2015 #67

Analysis: By Gordon Corera - BBC security correspondent notadmblnd Jun 2015 #77

No one is going to go on the record, at least not in the near term. MADem Jun 2015 #80

If this analysis is correct, then Snowden did not purposely do anything as to the allegation here. randys1 Jun 2015 #101

There was another article posted here last night walking back the article too notadmblnd Jun 2015 #102

"If it is true." That appears to be a huge caveat in the case of this story. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #42

Well, it's an important caveat. I have no interest in falsehoods. MADem Jun 2015 #45

They tried that story before. Right Winger tried it here, was actually asked by Anderson Cooper to sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #94

They'll see the big board1 pscot Jun 2015 #6

That's the first step. Then there is this: Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2015 #41

Nope. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #7

the British govt isn't any more of a credible source than our own govt agents' assessment bigtree Jun 2015 #8

Vindicated in your hatred of Snowden you mean? hobbit709 Jun 2015 #9

I always knew that Snowden is a liar.. why did he have to lie so much? Because he's not a Cha Jun 2015 #10

You forgot that he HATES 'Murka! nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #23

sounds like a "true believer" Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #33

Sounds like Snowden thinks Snowden should be shot in the balls. nt MH1 Jun 2015 #40

Yeah, but you used to also call Hillary a "liar" and you're on her side now. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #43

Only if you move to Russia. Your statements are untrue otherwise! TheTruth� lives in Moscow! freshwest Jun 2015 #11

Welcome to the Panopticon Fairgo Jun 2015 #12

Give it up. cwydro Jun 2015 #13

All the papers are reporting that the Chinese and Russians CRACKED the encryption. MADem Jun 2015 #14

Thanks JonLP24 Jun 2015 #16

They may have figured it out with a MIDWAY WATER trick....that's my guess. OR...there was someone MADem Jun 2015 #73

Your "China Journalist" story is false JonLP24 Jun 2015 #88

Uh, no it isn't--he GAVE AN INTERVIEW to Lana Lam. Don't tell me I'm lying about MADem Jun 2015 #89

Alright, show me the proof JonLP24 Jun 2015 #15

Yes. From the get-go it was clear to me from things he said that betsuni Jun 2015 #17

"Like a little kid running away from home". Perfect encapsulation, betsuni! randome Jun 2015 #21

Actually reads Orwell JonLP24 Jun 2015 #63

Oh dear. "Dubious hack claim." And you haven't read Orwell. Is this a joke? betsuni Jun 2015 #64

The BBC report (with their biased history, no less) JonLP24 Jun 2015 #66

None of Snowden's claims address the question of who these hacking techniques are used against. randome Jun 2015 #70

Have you seen the NSA rules JonLP24 Jun 2015 #72

"...millions of individuals..." Are these individuals Americans? randome Jun 2015 #79

This is the worst though JonLP24 Jun 2015 #86

There are plenty of open doors, as you say, some a mile wide. randome Jun 2015 #90

The thought-recording quote is: betsuni Jun 2015 #71

I regard interacting with technology like having lunch in the food court at a mall. MADem Jun 2015 #78

lol RandiFan1290 Jun 2015 #18

I miss the unrec button. Scuba Jun 2015 #19

The Snowden Saga has been renewed for a third incredible season! Yay! randome Jun 2015 #20

like Groundhog Day. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #34

Ain't that the truth...! MADem Jun 2015 #75

No, I couldn't give a fuck even in a brothel about whatever you are going on about. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #24

Pretty much this. Puglover Jun 2015 #31

+1. nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #32

Thank you. Excellent response. nt scarletwoman Jun 2015 #53

Well you were right about the Boxes and His Girl Friend being a pole dancer bahrbearian Jun 2015 #25

funny how only Snowden/Greenwald sycophants are the ones who ever mentioned that info. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #35

Vindicated How And In What Way cantbeserious Jun 2015 #26

Anything we know about survalence is a result of him and orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #27

Factually so incorrect I can't believe anyone would peddle that nonsense here on DU. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #36

I tend to agree with you JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #84

As John Oliver said, the Snowden story is complex Renew Deal Jun 2015 #29

You're not alone. The American people smell something too. His negatives continue to rise. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #30

This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Jun 2015 #38

You're in the minority, and that minority is growing smaller & smaller. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #47

"Whistleblower"? What a misnomer.. Snowjob is so not one.. He's a hacker, a thief, a dumper.. oh Cha Jun 2015 #49

His fanbois are all anxious to create the illusion that Snowden's a hero. Unless we're going to.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #85

Greenwald after Snowden goes to Russia: Snowden has NSA docs. Now, denies Russia cracked code, says Cha Jun 2015 #92

Awesome & very accurate tweets. GG is a well known bully & so are his accolytes. Sounds like Kurt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #99

A true genius you are rjsquirrel Jun 2015 #37

DU rec for pissing off all the right people...nt SidDithers Jun 2015 #39

Yeah, we got it. The important thing is winning pissing matches. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #44

Agreed. Puglover Jun 2015 #46

He gets an internet "Participation Award". scarletwoman Jun 2015 #54

Yup. Puglover Jun 2015 #55

With that wine drinking, maybe you're getting "pissed" in the British way? deurbano Jun 2015 #57

LOL! Puglover Jun 2015 #58

What's in it for you? You like being lied to by sociopaths? JonLP24 Jun 2015 #62

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #51

Sorry but your title is too vague so I don't know who to be fighting with in this thread. Rex Jun 2015 #52

A final word truebluegreen Jun 2015 #68

What do you mean? The check cleared? /nt Marr Jun 2015 #74

Kicked but not recced nt Veldrick Jun 2015 #81

I think that's against the TOS. There is no recognized KBNR acronym. randome Jun 2015 #83

For what reason? n/t Orsino Jun 2015 #87

No statues or t-shirts, but this is the best we can do on short notice. randome Jun 2015 #91

Brilliant... Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #93

Not even close. This flimsy times story is collapsing like a sandcastle at high tide. marmar Jun 2015 #95

Just had to kick this thread....... grasswire Jun 2015 #96

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #97

Yeah turns out it may have been SLIGHTLY too early. LOL. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #98

I don't know how I missed this post! Kicking for the laugh! riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #100

I'm curious as well as to what he was doing in Hong Kong? brush Jun 2015 #103