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41. Here he is with Hartmann,he knows about the voting machines,but doesn't believe they stole it

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:01 PM

Jun 2015

[Thom Hartmann] Yeah. I, the problem in my mind, over and over again, is that there is no evidence that George Bush won - that's not to say he didn't - but there's no evidence that he did because we had privatized the vote.

[Bernie Sanders] Well that's right. And that's got to stop. And that's...

[Thom Hartmann] Of all the things to privatize!

[Bernie Sanders] Yeah. And that would be true no matter who won.

[Thom Hartmann] Yeah.

[Bernie Sanders] Given the voting machines that exist, right?

[Thom Hartmann] Yeah, yeah, and this...

[Bernie Sanders] I think that's an issue that we do have to focus on and again, in the year 2004 how could it be, with all of the technology out there that people in Florida, people in Ohio, people elsewhere were waiting hours and hours to vote. That's insane and totally irresponsible and has to be dealt with.

[Thom Hartmann] And how can it be that Diebold says that they don't want to or, you know, they don't make voting machines that produce receipts but they make ATMs and Ticketron machines.

[Bernie Sanders] Absolutely. A total nonsense. And the whole issue of the so-called intellectual property rights for the functioning of these machines to rest in private hands is totally unacceptable.

So when exit polls were exact opposite of election results, and these machines were in place....how can he assume Bush won?

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I love everything Bernie Sanders is doing/saying....but he doesn't believe in election fraud [View all] J_J_ Jun 2015 OP

Are you referring to voter fraud or voter suppression? I don't think there is much voter fraud, still_one Jun 2015 #1

The controversy is over whether the GOP shifted votes on voting machines pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #3

Appreciate the clarification. The problem with voting machine issues is going to be hard to prove, still_one Jun 2015 #21

I've been saying this was a non-story for years brooklynite Jun 2015 #33

The exit polls were the exact opposite of election results, the canary in the coal mine J_J_ Jun 2015 #36

Correction: They don't say it did NOT occur, just that it didn't occur in numbers needed... pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #48

exactly HOW would anyone know that? J_J_ Jun 2015 #51

Rove's IT guy was to testify in court on election fraud,but died shortly before in small plane crash J_J_ Jun 2015 #67

yes, and DUers were discussing this at the time J_J_ Jun 2015 #63

Repukes claim voter fraud as a reason to pass voter ID laws and Bernie may have said NightWatcher Jun 2015 #2

exactly madokie Jun 2015 #14

I call BS. Bernie never took the floor to shut up anyone and he was talking about absence of fraud merrily Jun 2015 #4

wrong year, wrong election- this was way before Republicans came up with that BS J_J_ Jun 2015 #37

Again, I call bs. It was not KERRY's view that Kerry ended up winning that election. merrily Jun 2015 #68

Beware of any post that begins "I love everything Bernie is saying BUT...." Maedhros Jun 2015 #5

I would like nothing more than to be wrong J_J_ Jun 2015 #38

You'll need to provide a link or some evidence before any real comments can begin. arcane1 Jun 2015 #6

Here's a link. The OP is NOT being honest. smokey nj Jun 2015 #8

Thanks! I can't watch it now but I'll check it out later. arcane1 Jun 2015 #16

Bernie didn't tell anyone to shut up and he brought up the horror of people waiting hours on line smokey nj Jun 2015 #17

He started with the assumption that obvious fraud did not change the results of the election J_J_ Jun 2015 #39

He didn't tell anyone to shut up or move on and he acknowledged smokey nj Jun 2015 #40

Maybe I 'misremembered' it, because I was really fucking pissed off at the time J_J_ Jun 2015 #44

Yes, I did pay attention to that election. I think it's pretty smokey nj Jun 2015 #46

the POINT is the future of our democracy- Has this been fixed? J_J_ Jun 2015 #49

WTF do you want him to do? smokey nj Jun 2015 #59

I want him to bring it up...often...as part of his election campaign J_J_ Jun 2015 #64

So attend a fucking event and ask about it. smokey nj Jun 2015 #65

You could have shortened that to "I am...Those who don't know history." pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #50

The exit polls showed Bush winning Ohio. ieoeja Jun 2015 #54

They admitted exit polls were 'wrong'- Report Acknowledges Inaccuracies in 2004 Exit Polls J_J_ Jun 2015 #62

I found a link to the video. The OP is dishonest. smokey nj Jun 2015 #13

This is par for the course for the OP author pinboy3niner Jun 2015 #26

Here he is with Hartmann,he knows about the voting machines,but doesn't believe they stole it J_J_ Jun 2015 #41

so JJ, honey, where's your op about Hillary on the subject of voting machines? cali Jun 2015 #57

He may be dishonest, but he's so very CONCERNED. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #60

this is a good reminder samsingh Jun 2015 #7

I doubt your memory has the context correct hootinholler Jun 2015 #9

Here's the link: smokey nj Jun 2015 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Iggo Jun 2015 #10

You'll of course, provide us with an objective and relevant source which verifies your allegation... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #11

Here's a link to the video. You're being dishonest. smokey nj Jun 2015 #12

Thank you- the whole reason I posted this was because I hoped someone would give me the link J_J_ Jun 2015 #43

Hours to download? You can scroll down and listen to smokey nj Jun 2015 #45

The Rs are using the supposed election fraud issue to get voter suppression into law. That is what jwirr Jun 2015 #18

What happened in 2000 was election fraud, not voter fraud. Big, giant huge difference. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #31

Agree - thanks for the correction. jwirr Jun 2015 #34

You seem to be very, very confused. You need to fix or delete your op. cali Jun 2015 #19

Here's a link to the speech he's talking about, it's nothing like he described in the OP. smokey nj Jun 2015 #20

thanks smokey cali Jun 2015 #25

Posting smears and then running away is contemptible. cali Jun 2015 #22

okey dokey, but you know, I had something to do....it happens..... J_J_ Jun 2015 #56

I'd say nice try but no cigar.... 99Forever Jun 2015 #23

If you look a bit closer, I think you will find that you're confusing the very real issue enough Jun 2015 #24

This seems to be a hit and run smear job. SalviaBlue Jun 2015 #27

I had stuff to do J_J_ Jun 2015 #52

Well, it would be a shame to reject him on that narrow criteria Trajan Jun 2015 #28

Jury results for this post Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #29

And when, oh when, is he going to commit to War Crimes trials!!!11!!!11!! BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #30

This OP is a lie and the person who posted it refuses to stand up and defend their bogus assertions. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #32

Reminds me of the saying "I'm not a racist, but ..." If you have to 'splain, you be lying. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #35

Remember that time in 2000? What did President Clinton do to keep things square in Florida? Octafish Jun 2015 #42

Nothing wrong with holding his feet to the fire J_J_ Jun 2015 #47

Your op is a total and complete fabrication cali Jun 2015 #53

I planned on ignoring the election, until Bernie's ideas/campaigns took off and gave me hope J_J_ Jun 2015 #61

Dudes! I told a big ole honking' lie in my OP! But what-evs! Bernie is awesome, bro! Except for that Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #72

So. You post a big pile of shit lie "Just in case" Looking forward to your next "I support Bernie" OP. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #69

There is a case of voter fraud in Fort Bend County, Tx, Bruce Fleming was running as Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #55

"I agree with John Kerry. I think George W. Bush won Ohio. But I agree with millions ..." muriel_volestrangler Jun 2015 #58

... --- ... Alkene Jun 2015 #66

Can you edit the OP to include something to back up what your claim? L. Coyote Jun 2015 #70

LET THIS ONE SINK. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #71

Pffft. Unrec. n/t demmiblue Jun 2015 #73