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115. I'm more worried by how she's going to do in a general election. I want a Democrat to win.

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 03:33 PM

Jun 2015

Clinton leads the entire GOP field in hypothetical general election match ups but it's all by pretty modest margins- her advantages range from 3 to 7 points. The Republicans who fare best against Clinton are Ben Carson and Marco Rubio, each of whom trail by 3 points at 46/43. Rubio is the only candidate on either side of the aisle who has a positive favorability rating with the overall electorate- 37% of voters see him favorably to 36% with a negative opinion.

Clinton leads Jeb Bush and Chris Christie each by 4 at 45/41, Scott Walker by 4 as well at 46/42, has a 5 point advantage over Mike Huckabee at 47/42, is up 6 on Carly Fiorina and Ted Cruz at 46/40 and 48/42 respectively, and has a 7 point edge over Rand Paul at 47/40. Clinton's 3 to 7 point lead range is comparable to our April poll when she led by 3 to 9 points, but down from February when we found her leading the GOP hopefuls by 7 to 10 points.

Ben Carson and Marco Rubio only trail by 3 points. Is the american electorate really this stupid?

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Newest PPP poll out today has Hillary gaining momentum on all Dem candidates. [View all] JaneyVee Jun 2015 OP

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #1

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary (REDUX) DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #2

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary (once more with FEELING!) calimary Jun 2015 #49

How dare you post this positive news about Hillary! It means nothing. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #119

Hillary Only Candidate That Can't Beat Bush billhicks76 Jun 2015 #128

Please post a link to the poll leftynyc Jun 2015 #146

That's Because You're Making Opinions Based On Early Polls billhicks76 Jun 2015 #185

And you think THIS country leftynyc Jun 2015 #191

You're Naive And Insulting billhicks76 Jun 2015 #204

I Agree About Supreme Court billhicks76 Jun 2015 #205

Pro choice, pro gay rights, leftynyc Jun 2015 #206

Ah. The old if you don't take this evil we give a worse evil billhicks76 Jun 2015 #212

Spare me the hysteria leftynyc Jun 2015 #213

LOL treestar Jun 2015 #3

Maybe PPP (D) is a Republican pollster DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #5

It is a conspiracy by the Clinton Foundation! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #6

I really liked DU, but I am beginning to believe that it lacks balance. olegramps Jun 2015 #35

It is sad that the attacks have increased and they make DU suck. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #38

Oh you must be talking about the 11 commandment of the Rupublicon Patry. Historic NY Jun 2015 #39

And we NEED that here. calimary Jun 2015 #75

I feel same as you calimary. lovemydog Jun 2015 #108

What's hard is how much zentrum Jun 2015 #113

Not quite it. calimary Jun 2015 #138

I don't see that at all leftynyc Jun 2015 #148

Correct my thinking here: My problem with this approach is it mirrors media's 'horse race' meme... freshwest Jun 2015 #214

I'm not really understanding your question leftynyc Jun 2015 #235

Honestly...no one is shutting you down or wants to eliminate the Primary process Sheepshank Jun 2015 #231

Yeah. It's noticeable. calimary Jun 2015 #67

No, it wasn't, and it led to more deaths in Vietnam and Cambodia. Is it the same non-voters now? n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #215

I remember well remember this because I am 76 years young. olegramps Jun 2015 #240

There is a relatively quiet Clinton fan base, OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #116

drawn together by their hatred of her. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #120

Hillary is starting to talk the Bernie talk..... Pauldg47 Jun 2015 #123

This is typical for election season. "The republicans remain dedicated to their cause of getting still_one Jun 2015 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author AlbertCat Jun 2015 #118

That's Positive? billhicks76 Jun 2015 #127

Negatives will be found in these positives quite soon..... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #4

My God, she's not even at 90%! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #9

Oh noes!!!! CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #10

She will LOSE until she's sworn in... If she is. The alternative is unbearable for some of us. freshwest Jun 2015 #216

FYI....PPP was the most accurate pollster the last presidential election cycle: Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #7

That's even better news. Thanks for that. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #43

It's the one used by Obama. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #217

FYI....PPP was the most accurate pollster the last presidential election cycle: AlbertCat Jun 2015 #121

Well, that calls it..... daleanime Jun 2015 #8

DU rec... SidDithers Jun 2015 #11

+1 LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #88

Faith Militant!!... SidDithers Jun 2015 #98

Political version of The Tortoise and the Hare or David and Goliath. Cool! nc4bo Jun 2015 #12

As a Hillary supporter, I an not going to gloat at this news. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #13

Same here ... we've got a long BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #29

Well, it's not as though she's never faced it before. calimary Jun 2015 #90

Bernie peaked too soon! DCBob Jun 2015 #14

Hey Bob, you old corporatist, Turd Way, warmongering, Bernie hater...you! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #45

LOL! DCBob Jun 2015 #96

Bernie's a great novelty candidate. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #124

Actually, he's a "Democratic Socialist" or so we're told. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #144

he's a "Democratic Socialist" AlbertCat Jun 2015 #147

Thinking of moving? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #153

Thinking of moving? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #154

I just figured if you wanted to take advantage of those European niceties, you might be leaving us. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #157

Interesting paragraph; hrmjustin Jun 2015 #15

Yes.. Do we need any further evidence Hillary is our best candidate to win in the general? DCBob Jun 2015 #21

Not for me. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #23

Yes. That's the whole point of the primary election. AtheistCrusader Jun 2015 #129

Ye Gods ... I cannot understand BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #31

Scott Walker must be stopped from getting the nomination! yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #36

Yeah, no kidding. calimary Jun 2015 #92

Interesting sentence, within a paragraph ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #72

Maybe. i tend to think Castro of TX will be on the ticket. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #85

Not a bad choice, either. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #94

This would be good because strategically, it sets him up as the most eligible Latino calimary Jun 2015 #102

True! Plus we need a regionally diverse ticket. freshwest Jun 2015 #218

She's a name and money juggernaut, no doubt about it. morningfog Jun 2015 #16

unsurprisingly she got a bump from her announcement speech cali Jun 2015 #17

I agree with a lot of what you wrote, but I still think Bernie can win the nomination peacebird Jun 2015 #54

I agree n/t MissDeeds Jun 2015 #61

Damn straight! Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #77

What are the odds Bernie will lose the general if nominated? LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #63

Exactly 0%. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #79

99.9%. He's polling even with GOP candidates in California of all places stevenleser Jun 2015 #117

Negative. That's because people don't know Bernie yet. He's the real deal. Most will see that. nt stillwaiting Jun 2015 #194

They know him enough. He's tied in CA with GOP. His nomination would produce an electoral disaster. stevenleser Jun 2015 #201

No THEY don't. Political junkies in CA do though. THEY will know him soon enough. stillwaiting Jun 2015 #203

Just about 100% leftynyc Jun 2015 #156

Seriously? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #164

This isn't 1972 Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #193

"Vindicated"? Was McGovern sworn in "just 2 years later"? How did I miss that? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #199

Um, ever hear of "Watergate"? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #207

How did "Watergate" change the outcome of an election held two years prior? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #208

I'll just drop this here. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #167

Might as well let sleeping dogs lie. I will go by what she is saying now and not what she said then. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #172

No surprise there LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #180

But you previously said you wouldn't vote for her if she's the nominee Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #190

"The lack of racial diversity in New Hampshire" DCBob Jun 2015 #18

I think Bernie needs to address this issue much more urgently. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #22

So would Bernie be taking just trying to be upaloopa Jun 2015 #27

Vermont Vines?????????? karynnj Jun 2015 #62

So do I ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #89

What issue? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #25

Item 3. DCBob Jun 2015 #26

No. It is not possible. I keep telling you guys that, and I get ridiculous retorts of "do you speak Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #51

I know exactly what you mean. DCBob Jun 2015 #106

The Clintons have Soooooooooooo been forgiven for any perceived slights from 8 years ago. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #151

I am not that far decided ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #174

Bernie's not an option for me. Not after this stunt: Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #198

I disagree ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #173

I dont see him able to change his style which seems to me will turn off not just AA voters but.. DCBob Jun 2015 #175

I get that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #177

Sure that makes sense for someone like you who is very tuned in to politics.. DCBob Jun 2015 #179

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #181

Exactly. DCBob Jun 2015 #182

True; but, it extends beyond the Bernie camp. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #183

yes.. agreed. DCBob Jun 2015 #184

Fatal mistake indeed. It's where the educated white "limousine liberal" & the rest of us part ways. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #209

Another term would be the "intellectual liberals". DCBob Jun 2015 #210

In 2008, Hillary came up against something brand new. A fresh faced, oratorically gifted, skilled Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #211

I understand some very complicated stuff... More than those who talk down to me. That's dumb. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #223

I agree with most of this ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #237

+1. Isn't it awful? I was hoping to get 'up there' with 'em at one time. Fat chance... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #222

our, collective, delusion that arguments and facts will always win the day AlbertCat Jun 2015 #188

Yes! That is exactly what I said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #195

That's what drove me away: freshwest Jun 2015 #221

Alcoholics Anonymous? AlbertCat Jun 2015 #125

Good luck with that! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #152

Not if he continuously, and consciously, avoids talking to us. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #176

Not if he continuously, and consciously, avoids talking to us. AlbertCat Jun 2015 #187

Are you implying that Bernie is "continuously, and consciously" ignoring black people? U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #219

Yes ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #236

I've also seen this. Also people that are white, immigrant and black men and women and apolitical, freshwest Jun 2015 #220

I have to admit, I am more than a little baffled why black voters LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #32

8-years ago is a lifetime ago yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #37

I guess that's true LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #47

2008? Really? This is what happened in 2012, and this is what we remember now. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #57

Well first, I didn't think Bill was running this time around LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #60

So, essentially, you thought we'd still be holding a grudge from 8 years ago? Truth be told... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #71

Somewhat, yes. LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #76

We loved Bill Clinton before his dumb remarks, and like most wounds, time is a healer. nt Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #91

Understood. And let me say that I don't believe Hillary or Bill are racist, not even LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #105

And you're certainly entitled, but it's sad that you haven't moved on like the majority of us. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #141

And by the way, that was undoubtedly the best political speech, by far, I've ever witnessed LondonReign2 Jun 2015 #110

It was a peach of a speech, and probably helped tremendously in Obama's reelection efforts. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #142

That was at the 2012 DNC, no? I can post it... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #226

Yup. It was his DNC speech. ACA was under assault (as usual), and it took the "Explainer In Chief" Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #229

Agreed on the 'her more rabid supporters.' That's what turned me off then and can still turn me off. freshwest Jun 2015 #224

Some of US heaven05 Jun 2015 #104

As I said, we remember, but average voters don't yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #112

Everyone will remember TM99 Jun 2015 #234

They think Bernie is a Republican or a communist. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #81

No ... We think he is not speaking to us ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #103

His proposals will lift everyone up - can't you see that? Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #130

His proposals is right upaloopa Jun 2015 #137

Well, thats complete bs as far as I'm concerned. Hillary=Progressive???? Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #145

Thanks for making my exact point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #161

Take care, man. I appreciate your contributions to DU. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #171

I think she and Bill have been forgiven by most AA voters.. DCBob Jun 2015 #126

I don't think it's black voters per se... MellowDem Jun 2015 #132

Jinx. I should have read your comment before I posted downthread. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #46

Time will tell --- and I for one am already bored of this meme karynnj Jun 2015 #55

Despite the optics of both events, what don't you get about 83%? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #59

I have posted very very often that I think Clinton will be the nominee karynnj Jun 2015 #69

"Pretty white" and "exclusively white" are two very different animals, but I think you know that. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #87

The Burlington event was not exclusively white -- I know I was there karynnj Jun 2015 #101

I saw a black cameraman, is that what you mean? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #139

No, there were minorities in the audience - whether you saw them or not karynnj Jun 2015 #149

Great. Thanks. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #155

I AM not Black... yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #225

And more power to you. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #227

Lets see Bernie do a campaign event in South Carolina and see how many AAs show up. DCBob Jun 2015 #107

He'll be in SC June 21st. joshcryer Jun 2015 #189

It isn't a problem... MellowDem Jun 2015 #136

She won't "slime" Bernie... no need. DCBob Jun 2015 #162

What about his "nature" is it... MellowDem Jun 2015 #165

An old white jewish guy from VT who calls himself a socialist... DCBob Jun 2015 #170

Clinton is an old white Christian gal from Chicago suburbs... MellowDem Jun 2015 #186

Hillary and Bill have earned their creds with AA voters. DCBob Jun 2015 #192

That's why she's won in 2008? MellowDem Jun 2015 #196

She nearly won despite the campaign mistakes. DCBob Jun 2015 #197

Bernie's "dog whistle" came in the form of seeking a primary opponent for the first AA president. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #232

That's a dog whistle? MellowDem Jun 2015 #238

To all of Bernie's "disillusioned" white fanbase it sure as hell was a dog whistle. Fortunately, Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #239

Let's see what the polls say 10 months from now. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #19

Anything to keep up the denial upaloopa Jun 2015 #28

I want to see them on the same stage - answering the same questions Plucketeer Jun 2015 #41

+100000000000000000000000 Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #82

I'm sure she got a bump from the content free speech over the weekend Doctor_J Jun 2015 #20

Yes she really has nothing of content in her upaloopa Jun 2015 #97

They've cornered the market on "cool" LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #134

I'm not sure why you're so testy since I said your corporatist DINO is going to win Doctor_J Jun 2015 #159

Because you like it so much. upaloopa Jun 2015 #160

Nice, but not bragging here. Beacool Jun 2015 #24

I think that Obama's youth was also a big factor of his appeal. nt lunamagica Jun 2015 #52

That too. Beacool Jun 2015 #56

LOL Iliyah Jun 2015 #30

IE: Near 100 percent chance of another corporate President... MellowDem Jun 2015 #33

... MattSh Jun 2015 #34

Vote for the Dem Candidate DownriverDem Jun 2015 #40

My vindication is contained within this Money Quote: Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #42

Fun fact... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #68

I realize it's going to be tough to hold the WH for a third term, but I think HRC is the only Dem... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #73

Only if she can hold the Obama Coalition together and she's off to a great start. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #83

Trust me, the coalition will be there. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #95

Then she wins... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #100

We're not haters�! LOL!! BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #44

Good for her, leading so early. Let's see if she has staying power. n/t Avalux Jun 2015 #48

Reality cannot overcome the Bern!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #50

Reality today will not be reality a year from now. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #86

Keep on dreaming. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #111

It's called reality - I think you're the one enjoying the daydream. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #131

Get back to me if Berne ever breKs 25 points nationally MohRokTah Jun 2015 #135

I probably won't remember by then, but I'm sure you'll find out about it. Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #143

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #150

Isn't it nice to end things with a good belly laugh! Elmer S. E. Dump Jun 2015 #169

I've maintained all along that Bernie will peak somewhere between 20%-23%. It's funny because.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #233

k&R. Good news.nt lunamagica Jun 2015 #53

Yes, but she can't speak well and is into slaughtering people. zappaman Jun 2015 #58

She's also now a BILLIONAIRE, and her supporters are murderers, which R B Garr Jun 2015 #65

Her net worth is nowhere near a BILLION. zappaman Jun 2015 #70

I forgot the sarcasm thingie, but I did see someone call her a BILLIONAIRE. R B Garr Jun 2015 #78

Ha! zappaman Jun 2015 #80

It is lulz. R B Garr Jun 2015 #99

Yeah, but ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #64

Good thing I wasn't drinking juice when I read that upaloopa Jun 2015 #84

Do you mind putting a warning on your posts. There is coffee all over my monitor! leftofcool Jun 2015 #158

ALL of them? Really? Atman Jun 2015 #66

Well ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #109

IMO, the main reason Bernie's numbers are good in NH is the proximity to VT Algernon Moncrieff Jun 2015 #74

Are You Sure These #s Are Right??? Gamecock Lefty Jun 2015 #93

Bet you a billion dollars .... Pauldg47 Jun 2015 #114

I'm more worried by how she's going to do in a general election. I want a Democrat to win. octoberlib Jun 2015 #115

The minority vote is for hillary captainarizona Jun 2015 #122

Minor bump due to the announcement. Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #140

I've always said the debates are make or break. joshcryer Jun 2015 #163

Woohoo! Hill the Burn! eom tarheelsunc Jun 2015 #166

When is the national primary? CanadaexPat Jun 2015 #168

There are no national primaries , of course, but this augurs well for her when ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #200

Empirical data and evidence instead of emotional and wishful thinking? Sancho Jun 2015 #178

How does this have so many comments? JaneyVee Jun 2015 #202

Glad to see you dropped your "Bernie Sanders for President, fuck yeah" sig line. merrily Jun 2015 #228

Hey thats cool, but I'm still voting for Bernie Sanders in the Ohio primary. phleshdef Jun 2015 #230