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MrScorpio

(73,775 posts) Tue Jun 16, 2015, 04:39 PM Jun 2015

There's no such thing as "Transracial" [View all]

It's always been called "passing."

In Ms. Rachel's case, we can call it "perpetrating a fraud."

She could have been a perfectly fine ALLY of people of color without trying to impersonate one of us. There's nothing wrong with being a white ally and there has never been a requirement to hate one's own white skin in order to fight against white supremacy.

Like her life, this woman has only floated false narratives over what needs to be done in the struggle to fight injustice.

I know very little about her motivation, but I can only judge her actions. Is her heart in the right place? I have no idea.

Were her methods wrong? Yes, they were.

If she couldn't be honest about herself, how can she be expected to be trusted? She's yet to come clean, even after her fraud has been exposed.

Now we're stuck with this phony "transracial" ideology. Something that even white people who have been fully raised in black culture would never claim.

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There's no such thing as "Transracial" [View all] MrScorpio Jun 2015 OP

As I said in another thread, I am waiting for studies to see. yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #1

She FELT black?? missingthebigdog Jun 2015 #32

Well you'll have to ask her. I don't have those feeling when I was young yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #49

She felt so black at age five, in her 20's she sued Howard joeybee12 Jun 2015 #36

She lost the lawsuits goldent Jun 2015 #66

That could explain it! joeybee12 Jun 2015 #68

ROFL malaise Jun 2015 #79

She really does need help...nt joeybee12 Jun 2015 #81

I suspect she is a habitual liar. Chemisse Jun 2015 #77

That's kinda weird. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #107

Were you in an environment where everybody was white? Person 2713 Jun 2015 #151

It's simple. Avalux Jun 2015 #130

Then anybody can identify as any non-real race, religion or class prayin4rain Jun 2015 #134

Certainly not. Identification isn't the issue - masquerading and lying is the issue. Avalux Jun 2015 #137

I thought your first post prayin4rain Jun 2015 #138

You got my first post correct. Avalux Jun 2015 #142

I hadn't heard about a fake medical condition? prayin4rain Jun 2015 #143

I can't believe this keeps having to be said. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #2

K&R Solly Mack Jun 2015 #3

I'm with you on this. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #4

Excellent. cali Jun 2015 #5

Excellent and definitive article nt MrScorpio Jun 2015 #11

This is key! malaise Jun 2015 #88

All I know wendylaroux Jun 2015 #6

Super wrong in many ways -- still brazen and amazing! Freelancer Jun 2015 #7

Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2015 #8

Really well said. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #9

It's too bad the discussion wasn't more about race versus culture. Warpy Jun 2015 #10

According to what I've read, she represented herself as African American on applications. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #13

Is DNA the only determinant of who a person is? Warpy Jun 2015 #15

Race is physical MohRokTah Jun 2015 #17

So is gender. Warpy Jun 2015 #18

Only very light African American people could gollygee Jun 2015 #25

But so is gender.physical...right down to the DNA in every cell in the body. zeemike Jun 2015 #22

Gender goes beyond the physical DNA structure, race does not. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #26

So you can feel like the opposite sex but not like you are black. zeemike Jun 2015 #33

A white person who self identifies as black is the perfect example of white privilege. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #34

There is nothing to stop them from self identifying as white of feeling that way zeemike Jun 2015 #41

OH YES THERE FUCKING IS!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #44

When the yelling begins I quit. zeemike Jun 2015 #54

Well fucking good. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #60

The fact that people won't accept them has everything to do with it gollygee Jun 2015 #61

Discrimination was created not race. zeemike Jun 2015 #89

Race is not biological gollygee Jun 2015 #97

Not so . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #42

Excellent post Spazito Jun 2015 #52

Well stated. n/t DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #55

+1 gollygee Jun 2015 #62

well stated.nt stage left Jun 2015 #64

How do we know there is no such thing as intrinsic racial identity? zeemike Jun 2015 #98

How do we know there's no such thing as intrinsic disabled identity? Major Nikon Jun 2015 #154

Well we don't sense identity is a product of the mind not biology. zeemike Jun 2015 #155

The reason being protected classes can't be directly compared Major Nikon Jun 2015 #156

In short, all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others. zeemike Jun 2015 #157

So, you are saying it's so....because you say it's so sub.theory Jun 2015 #102

No, not because I say it's so . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #148

Since we can't see into her brain pnwmom Jun 2015 #131

That is one of the clearest explanations I have seen, thank you Maeve Jun 2015 #133

Atypical gender identities likely have a physical or genetic origin. Chemisse Jun 2015 #87

And so does skin colour.. and that is not just likely but a fact. zeemike Jun 2015 #94

Only if black people are allowed to be white. bravenak Jun 2015 #115

The school district somehow labeled my light skinned, blue eyed, blond daughter DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #29

I got in trouble in 1970s when had to fill out a questionnaire to graduate uppityperson Jun 2015 #45

I guess things have progressed slightly. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #51

She wasn't brought up with her black adopted brothers. Boudica the Lyoness Jun 2015 #69

It was not a paid position. notadmblnd Jun 2015 #84

"Transracial" is like "Affluenza". MohRokTah Jun 2015 #12

Borrowing a word from religion: AMEN n/t etherealtruth Jun 2015 #46

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #47

Oh Lord, YES! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #92

There are only about 6 black folks in this town, barely enough for the cops to beat up on. jtuck004 Jun 2015 #14

Dolezal is only black when it's convenient. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #16

Well said n/t Spazito Jun 2015 #19

�Damn, Rachel Dolezal. Even Vanilla Ice didn�t claim to BE black�: W. Kamau Bell KamaAina Jun 2015 #20

This sounds absurd. jalan48 Jun 2015 #21

I wonder if she understands how badly she has hurt the Exilednight Jun 2015 #23

how has she hurt the racial struggles? handmade34 Jun 2015 #30

I have known many trans racial people in my life maindawg Jun 2015 #24

So, tell us . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #65

its a cultural thing maindawg Jun 2015 #116

"Dress and act like people of color" ???? gollygee Jun 2015 #71

it's about whether we we are in the group that gets discriminated against or not. maindawg Jun 2015 #118

Thanks for outing yourself. n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #119

Gosh, no transphobia in your post... Spazito Jun 2015 #122

Every one of those people was a white person playing at being black. Codeine Jun 2015 #90

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #117

tell that to Johnny Otis uhnope Jun 2015 #27

I heard her say TNNurse Jun 2015 #28

Yep. That right there ^^^ beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #31

I just saw her on NBC TNNurse Jun 2015 #53

Classic behaviour for a pathological liar. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #57

why? handmade34 Jun 2015 #35

LOL! stage left Jun 2015 #72

I agree with you, but I do kind of feel sorry for her though. dawg Jun 2015 #37

Not sure about that LittleBlue Jun 2015 #38

There may be no such previous thing in language, the post-modernists HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #39

When a black man can "self identify" as a white man and cops stop pulling him over.... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #40

Has she undergone treatments to change her skin color? jalan48 Jun 2015 #43

The Jerk - I was born a poor black child. Unknown Beatle Jun 2015 #48

Thank you, thank you, thank you ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #50

For those who doubt that 'race' (unlike gender) is 100% socially constructed . . . markpkessinger Jun 2015 #56

Completely correct sub.theory Jun 2015 #80

Someone has to explain it to her.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #58

in grade school + childhood, i always preferred making black friends. much easier in the hood. BUT pansypoo53219 Jun 2015 #59

In adoptionland transracial is a term that POCs adopted by white people use to self-identify me b zola Jun 2015 #63

Thank you for starting a separate thread about this! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #99

I agree. stage left Jun 2015 #67

Her motto: It's not a lie if you believe it. betsuni Jun 2015 #70

Mariah Carey migsan Jun 2015 #73

She is multiracial gollygee Jun 2015 #74

Your correct migsan Jun 2015 #82

because one of their parents' is black shanti Jun 2015 #96

"its a bad thing" if your parents are lily white and you claim one of them is black. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #100

Multiracial people (white and African American) are usually treated as black by society gollygee Jun 2015 #149

agreed Skittles Jun 2015 #75

Race is far more nebulous than gender sub.theory Jun 2015 #76

Please see post #42, which addresses your question n/t markpkessinger Jun 2015 #83

I love her. JanetLovesObama Jun 2015 #85

She SUED Howard University for discrimination! beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #91

Of course it's not. 840high Jun 2015 #103

Tell that to the poster who wants to give her the Arthur Ashe courage award. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #104

I hope you're joking. 840high Jun 2015 #109

Those parents ! JanetLovesObama Jun 2015 #78

If she said it hasppened - I don't believe her. 840high Jun 2015 #108

Setting Rachel Dolezal aside, race is pretty much a construct AZ Progressive Jun 2015 #86

#2 is not English MrsMatt Jun 2015 #164

Thank you. lovemydog Jun 2015 #93

I don't what to think of the entire situation... 99Forever Jun 2015 #95

As a light skinned black woman who people look at tblue Jun 2015 #101

+1 well said! nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #129

Thank you. K/r 840high Jun 2015 #105

I appreciate this post so very much. Raine1967 Jun 2015 #106

There's different angles for the pro or cons. Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #132

You don't know her! Omnith Jun 2015 #110

Oh, please. Frankly, I'm not certain that this woman even knows herself. MrScorpio Jun 2015 #111

Perhaps Omnith Jun 2015 #113

I have no need to cut her or any of her lies any slack. MrScorpio Jun 2015 #114

There wouldn't Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #112

+1 lovemydog Jun 2015 #121

I've got to part company with you on this . . . Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #120

"I was born a black person in a white body�" MrScorpio Jun 2015 #123

That's rather an ungenerous view of Johnny Otis. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #126

He identified as black because he wanted to make black music... MrScorpio Jun 2015 #128

correct Skittles Jun 2015 #139

Thanks! MrScorpio Jun 2015 #141

absolutely Skittles Jun 2015 #147

Demeaning the opposing views of others as Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #158

I will always demean the opposing view of bigots Skittles Jun 2015 #159

Alerting on this. nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #160

Alert failed, but just barely. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #162

Thanks, Comrade. Was trying to have Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #163

There's anything we want to be...for instance yesterday I declared myself a unicorn. ileus Jun 2015 #124

If you can shit us up some vibrant rainbows... MrScorpio Jun 2015 #125

How about if I just fix X-ray equipment??? ileus Jun 2015 #127

Says who? BKH70041 Jun 2015 #135

Dolezal has lied to support her case that she's a black woman in a white body... MrScorpio Jun 2015 #144

My opinion is that it ultimately won't matter. BKH70041 Jun 2015 #146

No, it's not. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #150

No such thing as transracial plstephen Jun 2015 #136

Rachel Dolezal tried to pull... jjewell Jun 2015 #140

+1 lovemydog Jun 2015 #145

How about Trans nationality? fadedrose Jun 2015 #152

That would make immigration easier n/t gollygee Jun 2015 #153

do you walk like an Egyptian, fadedrose? Skittles Jun 2015 #161