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Vattel

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61. O'Malley wasn't mayor after January of 2007.

Tue Jun 16, 2015, 08:59 PM

Jun 2015

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Look, I am not saying that crime didn't fall under O'Malley. But the statistics for murder, which are the hardest to juke, show that the murder rate didn't come down much at all, and that was in spite of O'Malley's horrific corner sweeps. O'Malley's claims to a significant reduction in violent crime rely heavily on the stats for rape, robbery, and assault. Those stats have been questioned by criminologists and by former police officials, and I don't trust them. Here is a good read on the subject: http://davidsimon.com/omalley-bad-math/

(By the way, please don't offer the usual ad hominem response to Simon. His having produced a fictional TV show about Baltimore doesn't negate the fact that he was a crime reporter in Baltimore for years and knows a lot more about what went on there under O'Malley than you or I know.)

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O'Malley signed gun control law [View all] Andy823 Jun 2015 OP

This should be universal law concerning guns. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #1

k&r bigtree Jun 2015 #2

Terrific! nt valerief Jun 2015 #3

And he thinks he can win a national election? nt hack89 Jun 2015 #4

O'Malley is the one fully progressive Democrat running. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #5

So this one issue means Bernie isn't a progressive? KamaAina Jun 2015 #6

yes MoonRiver Jun 2015 #7

He's an independent running as a Democrat. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #8

sad part is folks don't realize on this issue Bernie is the only progressive. ileus Jun 2015 #14

Care to explain that to us? nt Andy823 Jun 2015 #15

? He voted against the Brady Bill leftofcool Jun 2015 #16

Yeah, nothing says "fully progressive" quite like zero-tolerance policing. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #10

Nothing says "I can't think rationally" like a post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy. LanternWaste Jun 2015 #11

Calling something a fallacy is not an effective way to dismiss someone's position. NewSystemNeeded Jun 2015 #13

Nothing says "I don't actually know this stuff" like... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author FSogol Jun 2015 #31

It was O'Malley's policy when he was mayor. So I don't see the causal fallacy. Vattel Jun 2015 #35

Baltimorean @freedlander drops a major truth bomb re: @GovernorOMalley�s record as Mayor in Baltimor elleng Jun 2015 #18

That's why I like him Andy823 Jun 2015 #20

Yes indeed, Andy, elleng Jun 2015 #22

You are doing a good job Andy823 Jun 2015 #23

Thanks, Andy. elleng Jun 2015 #24

Not very truthful for a truth bomb. Vattel Jun 2015 #36

'GovernorOMalley did something a lot of these mayors don�t do: elleng Jun 2015 #38

I love that he has done JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #44

Again, the suggestion that the 43% drop in crime was O'Malley's doing is quite misleading. Vattel Jun 2015 #47

yet some critics think it's just fine to blame today's problems with the Baltimore PD bigtree Jun 2015 #48

Thanks, bigtree. elleng Jun 2015 #50

What "some critics" do is irrelevant to my post. I don't blame O'Malley for what Vattel Jun 2015 #56

the 48% figure is an average of the decade in which there was a definitive drop in violent crime bigtree Jun 2015 #60

O'Malley wasn't mayor after January of 2007. Vattel Jun 2015 #61

yet, in that decade, the violent crime rate droped precipitously bigtree Jun 2015 #62

sorry, I just edited my post and then saw your reply. Vattel Jun 2015 #63

that's an incorrect reading of what I wrote bigtree Jun 2015 #66

I agree that some of his police policies were great. Vattel Jun 2015 #67

Also from the NAACP: FSogol Jun 2015 #33

Other NAACP people remain critical of O'Malley's zero tolerence policies. Vattel Jun 2015 #57

The double-edged sword of practical action. Koinos Jun 2015 #37

well said, Koinos bigtree Jun 2015 #65

I like both Sanders and O'Malley Aerows Jun 2015 #30

K&R sheshe2 Jun 2015 #9

This'll bring 'em running. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2015 #12

That's a step in the right direction... Sancho Jun 2015 #17

Thanks, Andy. elleng Jun 2015 #19

I really like this guy! etherealtruth Jun 2015 #21

Hmmm, so that means the criminals will turn in their hi cap mags now? GGJohn Jun 2015 #26

Why have any laws or regulations at all? Koinos Jun 2015 #39

Why not pass laws that will actually do some good? GGJohn Jun 2015 #40

O'Malley decriminalized marijuana. Koinos Jun 2015 #41

So how does mag limits help in that regard? GGJohn Jun 2015 #42

How are law-abiding citizens negatively impacted by gun control? Koinos Jun 2015 #45

One of many reasons why I support O'Malley. Koinos Jun 2015 #27

He's a damn good candidate Aerows Jun 2015 #29

We'll have the whole primary system to sort it out. FSogol Jun 2015 #32

Good point about Aerows Jun 2015 #34

Yes we are lucky Andy823 Jun 2015 #46

I will say this plainly Aerows Jun 2015 #28

K & R n/t JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #43

Gun control will not be an issue in the general election hack89 Jun 2015 #49

Maybe not, but elleng Jun 2015 #51

ofcoarse it will be an issue as long as the nra has an email account dembotoz Jun 2015 #52

Probably not Andy823 Jun 2015 #54

I disagree hack89 Jun 2015 #55

Maybe, but over the last 7 years and dozens of high profile shooting cases, Obama has tried once... aikoaiko Jun 2015 #64

Potentially self-damaging, but if he were the nominee I would vote for him... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #53

This news is a year old BainsBane Jun 2015 #58

Yes. It became law. Here's the info: FSogol Jun 2015 #59