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In reply to the discussion: Finally, a Democrat who calls “bulls**t”: [View all]Jim Lane
(11,175 posts)21. Yes, Hillary really said it, according to TPM. I agree with you that it's a disappointment.
Talking Points Memo ran this story on the Social Security debate. The full paragraph from TPM:
She's trying to appeal to voters in the mushy middle. There are people who see "ideology" as the great villain. In their view, the way to govern is for elected officials to put aside partisan politics, reach across the aisle, and work together to get things done. To that train of vapid cliches, perhaps "take a deep breath" will be the next addition.
If one side refuses to talk about ideology, then the result is to reward extremism on the other side. These mushy-middle types tend to think that the right answer must be approximately halfway between the two competing positions. The result, as often noted on DU, is that Republicans stake out extreme right-wing positions and thus move the center toward the right. That's what happens when you say "take a deep breath" instead of "their ideology is bullshit."
"So part of what we have to do is say 'look, let's everybody take a deep breath. Let's figure out what works and how we build on what works and let's not get into arguments about ideology and rhetorical attacks and claims," Clinton said. "Let's just take a deep breath here as a country and say 'okay, we're going to have a retirement issue and people who've worked hard deserve to have enough security when they retire so they can have a good quality of life so I'm a hundred percent committed to that."
She's trying to appeal to voters in the mushy middle. There are people who see "ideology" as the great villain. In their view, the way to govern is for elected officials to put aside partisan politics, reach across the aisle, and work together to get things done. To that train of vapid cliches, perhaps "take a deep breath" will be the next addition.
If one side refuses to talk about ideology, then the result is to reward extremism on the other side. These mushy-middle types tend to think that the right answer must be approximately halfway between the two competing positions. The result, as often noted on DU, is that Republicans stake out extreme right-wing positions and thus move the center toward the right. That's what happens when you say "take a deep breath" instead of "their ideology is bullshit."
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Yes, Hillary really said it, according to TPM. I agree with you that it's a disappointment.
Jim Lane
Jun 2015
#21
I like all of the Democratic candidates in some ways. O'Malley will help in the war against the GOP
Sancho
Jun 2015
#6
what I like most about O’M dismissing Rubio’s economic outlook as “bullshit” is that he’s not wrong
FSogol
Jun 2015
#8
I think he he said 'stuff' as in 'that's just a lot of 'stuff' = malarkey. Ryan explained generally.
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#17
"Bullshit" is an extremely powerful word that says more than hundreds of descriptive words you could
world wide wally
Jun 2015
#15
To a certain extent, Rubio has a point. The oligarchs can rig the system by writing the rules--
Fast Walker 52
Jun 2015
#23