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Admiral Loinpresser

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12. I'm shouting as well.

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:00 AM

Jun 2015

The need for a transformative president on climate change is the most critical issue in the last 10,000 years, literally. And the need for wealth re-distribution is the greatest since 1941, at least.

My point in OP is not that we shouldn't shout-- we should. My point is because this may be the most important election in world history, how we go about mobilizing people after we win the nomination. Because just electing Bernie will do very little, don't you agree? My point is I think in line with Bernie's main point-- we will need millions of people in the streets *after* the election in order to have a chance to pressure Congress.

That's what happened in 1933. We were close to a revolution and people were out in the streets. FDR started off very badly, letting some austerity guy cut WWI veteran disability payments. After several veteran suicides, public outrage over that and other things empowered the New Dealers in the cabinet to start re-distributing wealth in the proper direction.

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A plea to Bernie Sanders supporters. [View all] Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 OP

This is not kumbayaunderground.com L0oniX Jun 2015 #1

Fuckin A. Politics is a bloodsport NightWatcher Jun 2015 #2

It doesn't have to be uncivil. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #10

That's news to me nt fadedrose Jun 2015 #21

Me, too. (nt) Paladin Jun 2015 #34

no but DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #67

+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #141

+1 marym625 Jun 2015 #160

No, JaneyVee, it really doesn't. merrily Jun 2015 #148

But the blood you spill may be ALL OF OURS. calimary Jun 2015 #19

And the love you save may be your own. lovemydog Jun 2015 #68

I don't know if you're alluding to climate change, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #130

Its time we take no prisoners madokie Jun 2015 #6

"I welcome their hatred." Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #26

No doubt madokie Jun 2015 #36

You sound like you're talking about leftynyc Jun 2015 #63

No it's not kumbayaunderground. com CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #8

If one is compelled to replace valid argument with irrational insult, what's the point? LanternWaste Jun 2015 #15

For many of us after 2008, Hillary represents the death of any hope to unchain the 1% from our gov. L0oniX Jun 2015 #22

You bet your sweet ... 840high Jun 2015 #157

Finallly someone gets around to me... fadedrose Jun 2015 #23

How about this ...Hillary represents the takeover of our gov by money. L0oniX Jun 2015 #35

Good reasons for not liking her fadedrose Jun 2015 #38

Exactly. polichick Jun 2015 #28

The stakes are so high this time, I must shout about it. Ron Green Jun 2015 #3

I'm shouting as well. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #12

Aye-aye Admiral nt fadedrose Jun 2015 #40

Thanks, I needed to set my watch Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #4

You ignore the Clinton supporters who have inferred that Sanders doesn't care about PoC- cali Jun 2015 #5

Maybe that's his next diary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #11

True. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #18

Hmm... kenfrequed Jun 2015 #60

Totally agree. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #95

He isn't being negative about Hillary Clinton or any other candidate marym625 Jun 2015 #161

I've not read anyone infer this at all. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #124

Your post would have merit if this site had influence on the larger population of voters DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #7

One of the few rational responses I've received. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #49

"Rational" can be such a subjective word, Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #56

Straw man. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #85

"Straw man." Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #112

Straw man, loosely defined Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #115

I didn't re-characterize anything. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #118

"very narrow scope of behavior/conversation" Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #121

Ah partisans ... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #9

On a partisan board, no less. Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #13

That is where the entertainment lies nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #17

I wouldn't call it a stroll as much as taking a time machine back and reliving it davidpdx Jun 2015 #162

Thanks for an oasis of sanity. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #128

It's also reminiscent of Humphrey vs. McCarthy in 1968. calimary Jun 2015 #14

You do understand that "getting Nixon" involved assassinating RFK as well, right? nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #24

Wouldn't surprise me. calimary Jun 2015 #51

RFK had just won California and had a good shot Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #64

Well said. I keep remembering Nixon vs. McGovern, 1972. Paladin Jun 2015 #43

I keep remembering LBJ vs Goldwater, 1964. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #76

KNR...although joeybee12 Jun 2015 #16

I take issue with equating ANY Democratic primary candidate to Third Party candidates you call Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #20

yes but the important thing is to be civil while promulgating egregious bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #25

I didn't intend to equate them. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #32

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #27

word up.. frylock Jun 2015 #45

eggggzactly. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #52

Wow. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #116

^^^ Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #58

+1000 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #65

+1001 840high Jun 2015 #158

This is not a problem for Hillary supporters, Admiral. leftofcool Jun 2015 #29

It shouldn't be that way here, all the hurt feelings. Avalux Jun 2015 #33

some people just like to turn on the microphone and turn off the speaker corkhead Jun 2015 #47

I recommend vodka shenmue Jun 2015 #126

It's amazing you've racked up so many hidden posts Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #44

Just 4 in all my 10 years on DU leftofcool Jun 2015 #54

That's still a lot of hides Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #57

The hides are all obviously the fault of Bernies Puglover Jun 2015 #78

I'd like to think Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #80

I've had two hides. Puglover Jun 2015 #82

Most of my hides were snarky Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #90

LOL Puglover Jun 2015 #98

LOL leftofcool Jun 2015 #114

I've had two hides in my time on DU. Autumn Jun 2015 #119

Let's just say I took some good advice and put them all on ignore. leftofcool Jun 2015 #101

Careful... Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #59

That's why I started using the ignore button. leftofcool Jun 2015 #103

Bad advice... Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #149

I love posts urging Bernie supporters to be cautious or careful. "You'd better be _____, or else!" Avalux Jun 2015 #30

Straw man. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #41

"The purpose of this post is to caution Bernie Sanders� supporters on DU..." Iggo Jun 2015 #71

One-time urination contest: Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #88

It works both ways. nt Nite Owl Jun 2015 #31

I'm not seeing it as Bernie supporters being aggressive. woodsprite Jun 2015 #37

I'm willing to concede Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #53

I don't put anyone on ignore. It's a cheap form of entertainment Exilednight Jun 2015 #97

I wouldn't have if they hadn't kept sending me email about woodsprite Jun 2015 #102

Too bad there's not an automated message Exilednight Jun 2015 #107

Even more entertaining Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #142

That was most likely someone who can't post in the Bernie Sanders group. Autumn Jun 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Jun 2015 #39

I'll give what I get. 99Forever Jun 2015 #42

This is how I feel. Exilednight Jun 2015 #100

The pot calling the kettle black krawhitham Jun 2015 #46

But the kettle's parents are actually white Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #48

You can't prove that! Iggo Jun 2015 #73

It identifies as transcookware. Exilednight Jun 2015 #104

This man identifies as transparent Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #111

Yep. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #50

We Fight the Good fight Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #55

+1 n/t Oilwellian Jun 2015 #66

We need a "plea to Sanders supporters" group LittleBlue Jun 2015 #61

BS supporters, outside of DU are very pleasant people. You can converse with them. Even though.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #62

So are Clinton supporters, outside of DU. Iggo Jun 2015 #72

this DC native is for Bernie so there goes your theory. With HRC, it's the Battle of Billionaires wordpix Jun 2015 #91

LOL. Iggo Jun 2015 #69

Are you serious? MissDeeds Jun 2015 #70

How is it patronizing? Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #120

I think a lot of Bernie supporters are looking for a fight. DanTex Jun 2015 #74

bwahahahaha!!! frylock Jun 2015 #77

For example, some Bernie Sanders are so gung-ho that they will defend truly awful DanTex Jun 2015 #79

Which "NRA-sponsored legislation" was that, Dan? frylock Jun 2015 #83

The one that gave gun manufacturers legal immunity. DanTex Jun 2015 #84

Can you provide the name of that bill, please? frylock Jun 2015 #86

The NRA's name for it is "the most significant piece of pro-gun legislation in twenty years" DanTex Jun 2015 #87

So if someone hits me in the face with a pint glass, should I be able sue Anchor Hocking? frylock Jun 2015 #89

LOL. Like I said, here you are defending it! DanTex Jun 2015 #93

You've failed, yet again, to give me a straight answer.. frylock Jun 2015 #96

Obviously, that has nothing to do with the gun bill, but my answer is, yes, you should. DanTex Jun 2015 #105

Why don't you explain to our faithful readers WHY the bill was put in place? frylock Jun 2015 #108

I have to ask, are you an NRA member? DanTex Jun 2015 #109

No, I'm am not a member of the NRA. I despise the NRA.. frylock Jun 2015 #110

You don't sound like a gun nut, no. Which makes your defense of this law all the DanTex Jun 2015 #113

I am disappointed with his vote on the Brady bill, and have expressed that.. frylock Jun 2015 #127

Fair enough. For the record I think Bernie is great, even though I disagree with him on DanTex Jun 2015 #136

I think so also - the vitriol from some of his supporters here sure seems ott to me DrDan Jun 2015 #81

I'm not anti-HRC but she's my last choice - I don't want a billionaire leading the charge wordpix Jun 2015 #92

Fair enough. Just so you know, HRC isn't a billionaire. DanTex Jun 2015 #94

Sounds like you need to look up the word billionaire before you proceed. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #99

Are you against programs such as Social Security? This was pushed by FDR, has stayed aroung for Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #131

FDR was a class traitor. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #132

Even more important, she has not forgotten where she came, the struggles she has endured, and Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #134

Perhaps you are right. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #122

Is America on the wrong path? That's a complicated question. DanTex Jun 2015 #123

I can't speak for other Bernie supporters, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #125

Good post. So here's where I'm coming from. DanTex Jun 2015 #135

Let me start with your last point. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #137

Sure, I'd love to continue. Take your time. I'll expand a little more on a few more topics. DanTex Jun 2015 #140

Maybe you are wrong again Trajan Jun 2015 #129

I'll just leave this here - draw what inferences you may: Maedhros Jun 2015 #75

The times are changing... kentuck Jun 2015 #106

That's a two way street. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #133

For all the repetitive complaining about disrespect, LWolf Jun 2015 #138

Pretty much agree with everything you posted, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #143

Social and economic justice LWolf Jun 2015 #144

I disagree. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #145

That's true to a certain degree; LWolf Jun 2015 #146

As to Bernie's record, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #151

Ignore works. I now have a long ignore list and DU is easier to read. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #139

I don't use ignore. I take what Hillary supporters attack, and turn it around on them. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jun 2015 #152

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Funny really. TM99 Jun 2015 #147

Seems The Plea Is The Basis For A Potential Double Standard cantbeserious Jun 2015 #153

Do you mean not holding HRC supporters to the same standard? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #155

That Would Be One Way To Interpret The Plea cantbeserious Jun 2015 #156

And a correct interpretation. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #159