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calimary

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14. It's also reminiscent of Humphrey vs. McCarthy in 1968.
Wed Jun 17, 2015, 11:07 AM
Jun 2015

Similarities to here and now. Establishment candidate versus more progressive upstart. The McCarthy people were utterly on fire for their guy. Hubert Humphrey was unfortunately tied too closely, as Vice President, to LBJ and therefore also to Vietnam. Humphrey prevailed in the contest for the nomination. But the McCarthy people REFUSED to unite. They turned their backs and went home to pout. And they stayed in that position on Election Day.

And we got Richard republi-CON NIXON in the White House the following January.

Wonder if anybody asked the McCarthy people - "happy NOW??????"

Hey, I understand sticking by principles. But when you have to be practical, sometimes you have to adjust - in order to gain the greater good.

It's very clear that Bernie Sanders people are fired up for the sake of the greater good. That's what his campaign is all about. That's what the progressive vision is all about. That's why we as Democrats believe in using government as a force for the GREATER GOOD. For the collective. But then, what happens when we find ourselves looking at the OVER-ARCHING greater good? What happens if Hillary Clinton DOES prevail and win the nomination? The over-arching greater good at that point would seem to be - HOW DO WE KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE?

I guess my biggest issue stems not just from being a Hillary supporter and trying to show respect, and getting beaten up by some of the snark and snide comments and insults from the other side - COMBINED WITH assertions that it's "Bernie or Bust" - if he doesn't get the nomination then they're gonna go Gene McCarthy on us and stay home and pout. Thankfully, not all Bernie people are like that. But I feel compelled to point out that I have yet to see ANY Hillary people, myself included, who are threatening to do the same thing. I've yet to see ANY Hillary people saying it's "Hillary or Bust" and screw the rest of you if we don't get it OUR way. If Bernie beats her to the nomination, I am SO there in the Bernie camp. With bells on! I will advocate and help and have his back and vote for him with eagerness and enthusiasm. No staying home and pouting for me! And you can take that to the bank. With some Bernie people, I would hope to see that same commitment coming back this way, and I don't. And that worries me - that we're headed to another Nixon-type result. One side is rigid and one side is more flexible. Therein lies the most troubling rub. I've seen this happen before. I DO NOT want to see it happen again! Believe me, everybody, YOU DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN AGAIN EITHER!!!! The very fact that Bernie Sanders supporters stand so staunchly with him proves that they certainly don't want to see another GOP-controlled White House, either. But where will they be if Hillary Clinton wins the nomination? Can we count on THEIR support? Dear Admiral, you already have repeated vows from me that you WILL be able to count on MY support if it's Bernie over Hillary. I just feel great trepidation that there will not be a corresponding effort to unite from too many of our brothers and sisters if it's Hillary over Bernie.

I find that the sting I still feel from the recent barbs and brickbats thrown at me tempt me to say "well screw you AND the candidate YOU rode in on." And I CANNOT allow myself to go there. NONE OF US CAN AFFORD TO DO THAT!!! WE CANNOT AFFORD ANOTHER CON IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!! Bernie people, that means YOU, TOO!!! Because the REAL prize, FOR THE GREATER GOOD, is to keep the republi-CONS OUT of the White House. At least until we have a change to replace some of the scalias or thomases on the Supreme Court.

And btw, I'm no "concern troll." Which is what I see to explain away other efforts like mine, to try to remind our friends in the other camp of the possible reality of the conundrum we may ALL face. If nothing else, my post count should prove that.

PLEASE remember - we face a common enemy. We all share a common enemy. Both we Hillary supporters and we Bernie supporters - are up against the SAME ENEMY. And we share the SAME overriding objective: TO KEEP THE WHITE HOUSE IN DEMOCRATIC HANDS. Let's NOT forget that!

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A plea to Bernie Sanders supporters. [View all] Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 OP
This is not kumbayaunderground.com L0oniX Jun 2015 #1
Fuckin A. Politics is a bloodsport NightWatcher Jun 2015 #2
It doesn't have to be uncivil. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #10
That's news to me nt fadedrose Jun 2015 #21
Me, too. (nt) Paladin Jun 2015 #34
no but DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #67
+1 Scuba Jun 2015 #141
+1 marym625 Jun 2015 #160
No, JaneyVee, it really doesn't. merrily Jun 2015 #148
But the blood you spill may be ALL OF OURS. calimary Jun 2015 #19
And the love you save may be your own. lovemydog Jun 2015 #68
I don't know if you're alluding to climate change, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #130
Its time we take no prisoners madokie Jun 2015 #6
"I welcome their hatred." Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #26
No doubt madokie Jun 2015 #36
You sound like you're talking about leftynyc Jun 2015 #63
No it's not kumbayaunderground. com CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #8
If one is compelled to replace valid argument with irrational insult, what's the point? LanternWaste Jun 2015 #15
For many of us after 2008, Hillary represents the death of any hope to unchain the 1% from our gov. L0oniX Jun 2015 #22
You bet your sweet ... 840high Jun 2015 #157
Finallly someone gets around to me... fadedrose Jun 2015 #23
How about this ...Hillary represents the takeover of our gov by money. L0oniX Jun 2015 #35
Good reasons for not liking her fadedrose Jun 2015 #38
Exactly. polichick Jun 2015 #28
The stakes are so high this time, I must shout about it. Ron Green Jun 2015 #3
I'm shouting as well. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #12
Aye-aye Admiral nt fadedrose Jun 2015 #40
Thanks, I needed to set my watch Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #4
You ignore the Clinton supporters who have inferred that Sanders doesn't care about PoC- cali Jun 2015 #5
Maybe that's his next diary. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jun 2015 #11
True. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #18
Hmm... kenfrequed Jun 2015 #60
Totally agree. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #95
He isn't being negative about Hillary Clinton or any other candidate marym625 Jun 2015 #161
I've not read anyone infer this at all. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #124
Your post would have merit if this site had influence on the larger population of voters DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #7
One of the few rational responses I've received. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #49
"Rational" can be such a subjective word, Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #56
Straw man. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #85
"Straw man." Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #112
Straw man, loosely defined Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #115
I didn't re-characterize anything. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #118
"very narrow scope of behavior/conversation" Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #121
Ah partisans ... nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #9
On a partisan board, no less. Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #13
That is where the entertainment lies nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #17
I wouldn't call it a stroll as much as taking a time machine back and reliving it davidpdx Jun 2015 #162
Thanks for an oasis of sanity. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #128
It's also reminiscent of Humphrey vs. McCarthy in 1968. calimary Jun 2015 #14
You do understand that "getting Nixon" involved assassinating RFK as well, right? nt. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #24
Wouldn't surprise me. calimary Jun 2015 #51
RFK had just won California and had a good shot Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #64
Well said. I keep remembering Nixon vs. McGovern, 1972. Paladin Jun 2015 #43
I keep remembering LBJ vs Goldwater, 1964. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #76
KNR...although joeybee12 Jun 2015 #16
I take issue with equating ANY Democratic primary candidate to Third Party candidates you call Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #20
yes but the important thing is to be civil while promulgating egregious bullshit. Warren Stupidity Jun 2015 #25
I didn't intend to equate them. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #32
Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #27
word up.. frylock Jun 2015 #45
eggggzactly. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #52
Wow. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #116
^^^ Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #58
+1000 MissDeeds Jun 2015 #65
+1001 840high Jun 2015 #158
This is not a problem for Hillary supporters, Admiral. leftofcool Jun 2015 #29
It shouldn't be that way here, all the hurt feelings. Avalux Jun 2015 #33
some people just like to turn on the microphone and turn off the speaker corkhead Jun 2015 #47
I recommend vodka shenmue Jun 2015 #126
It's amazing you've racked up so many hidden posts Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #44
Just 4 in all my 10 years on DU leftofcool Jun 2015 #54
That's still a lot of hides Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #57
The hides are all obviously the fault of Bernies Puglover Jun 2015 #78
I'd like to think Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #80
I've had two hides. Puglover Jun 2015 #82
Most of my hides were snarky Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #90
LOL Puglover Jun 2015 #98
LOL leftofcool Jun 2015 #114
I've had two hides in my time on DU. Autumn Jun 2015 #119
Let's just say I took some good advice and put them all on ignore. leftofcool Jun 2015 #101
Careful... Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #59
That's why I started using the ignore button. leftofcool Jun 2015 #103
Bad advice... Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #149
I love posts urging Bernie supporters to be cautious or careful. "You'd better be _____, or else!" Avalux Jun 2015 #30
Straw man. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #41
"The purpose of this post is to caution Bernie Sanders’ supporters on DU..." Iggo Jun 2015 #71
One-time urination contest: Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #88
It works both ways. nt Nite Owl Jun 2015 #31
I'm not seeing it as Bernie supporters being aggressive. woodsprite Jun 2015 #37
I'm willing to concede Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #53
I don't put anyone on ignore. It's a cheap form of entertainment Exilednight Jun 2015 #97
I wouldn't have if they hadn't kept sending me email about woodsprite Jun 2015 #102
Too bad there's not an automated message Exilednight Jun 2015 #107
Even more entertaining Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #142
That was most likely someone who can't post in the Bernie Sanders group. Autumn Jun 2015 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Jun 2015 #39
I'll give what I get. 99Forever Jun 2015 #42
This is how I feel. Exilednight Jun 2015 #100
The pot calling the kettle black krawhitham Jun 2015 #46
But the kettle's parents are actually white Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #48
You can't prove that! Iggo Jun 2015 #73
It identifies as transcookware. Exilednight Jun 2015 #104
This man identifies as transparent Capt. Obvious Jun 2015 #111
Yep. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #50
We Fight the Good fight Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #55
+1 n/t Oilwellian Jun 2015 #66
We need a "plea to Sanders supporters" group LittleBlue Jun 2015 #61
BS supporters, outside of DU are very pleasant people. You can converse with them. Even though.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #62
So are Clinton supporters, outside of DU. Iggo Jun 2015 #72
this DC native is for Bernie so there goes your theory. With HRC, it's the Battle of Billionaires wordpix Jun 2015 #91
LOL. Iggo Jun 2015 #69
Are you serious? MissDeeds Jun 2015 #70
How is it patronizing? Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #120
I think a lot of Bernie supporters are looking for a fight. DanTex Jun 2015 #74
bwahahahaha!!! frylock Jun 2015 #77
For example, some Bernie Sanders are so gung-ho that they will defend truly awful DanTex Jun 2015 #79
Which "NRA-sponsored legislation" was that, Dan? frylock Jun 2015 #83
The one that gave gun manufacturers legal immunity. DanTex Jun 2015 #84
Can you provide the name of that bill, please? frylock Jun 2015 #86
The NRA's name for it is "the most significant piece of pro-gun legislation in twenty years" DanTex Jun 2015 #87
So if someone hits me in the face with a pint glass, should I be able sue Anchor Hocking? frylock Jun 2015 #89
LOL. Like I said, here you are defending it! DanTex Jun 2015 #93
You've failed, yet again, to give me a straight answer.. frylock Jun 2015 #96
Obviously, that has nothing to do with the gun bill, but my answer is, yes, you should. DanTex Jun 2015 #105
Why don't you explain to our faithful readers WHY the bill was put in place? frylock Jun 2015 #108
I have to ask, are you an NRA member? DanTex Jun 2015 #109
No, I'm am not a member of the NRA. I despise the NRA.. frylock Jun 2015 #110
You don't sound like a gun nut, no. Which makes your defense of this law all the DanTex Jun 2015 #113
I am disappointed with his vote on the Brady bill, and have expressed that.. frylock Jun 2015 #127
Fair enough. For the record I think Bernie is great, even though I disagree with him on DanTex Jun 2015 #136
I think so also - the vitriol from some of his supporters here sure seems ott to me DrDan Jun 2015 #81
I'm not anti-HRC but she's my last choice - I don't want a billionaire leading the charge wordpix Jun 2015 #92
Fair enough. Just so you know, HRC isn't a billionaire. DanTex Jun 2015 #94
Sounds like you need to look up the word billionaire before you proceed. n/t Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #99
Are you against programs such as Social Security? This was pushed by FDR, has stayed aroung for Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #131
FDR was a class traitor. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #132
Even more important, she has not forgotten where she came, the struggles she has endured, and Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #134
Perhaps you are right. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #122
Is America on the wrong path? That's a complicated question. DanTex Jun 2015 #123
I can't speak for other Bernie supporters, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #125
Good post. So here's where I'm coming from. DanTex Jun 2015 #135
Let me start with your last point. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #137
Sure, I'd love to continue. Take your time. I'll expand a little more on a few more topics. DanTex Jun 2015 #140
Maybe you are wrong again Trajan Jun 2015 #129
I'll just leave this here - draw what inferences you may: Maedhros Jun 2015 #75
The times are changing... kentuck Jun 2015 #106
That's a two way street. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #133
For all the repetitive complaining about disrespect, LWolf Jun 2015 #138
Pretty much agree with everything you posted, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #143
Social and economic justice LWolf Jun 2015 #144
I disagree. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #145
That's true to a certain degree; LWolf Jun 2015 #146
As to Bernie's record, Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #151
Ignore works. I now have a long ignore list and DU is easier to read. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #139
I don't use ignore. I take what Hillary supporters attack, and turn it around on them. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jun 2015 #152
. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #154
Funny really. TM99 Jun 2015 #147
Seems The Plea Is The Basis For A Potential Double Standard cantbeserious Jun 2015 #153
Do you mean not holding HRC supporters to the same standard? n/t Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #155
That Would Be One Way To Interpret The Plea cantbeserious Jun 2015 #156
And a correct interpretation. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #159
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