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Tom Rinaldo

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18. Hillary is not a politician in the Bernie Sanders mold

Wed Jun 17, 2015, 12:50 PM

Jun 2015

But 95% of politicians aren't. Bernie is a very rare breath of fresh air in that he wouldn't recognize a political weather vane if you handed one to him. I'm strongly backing Bernie in the primaries, but what Hillary said about gay marriage in 2004 does not overly concern me, just like what Barack Obama said in those days doesn't either. On social issues like these I trust them both to come down on the correct side now.

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(Video) Hillary in 2004 on "Sanctity" of Hetero marriage. [View all] Bonobo Jun 2015 OP

Haven't you heard? Hillary has evolved, as many of us have...Move on, people. Move on. TheDebbieDee Jun 2015 #1

I have many t-shirts that are over 25-30 years old Bonobo Jun 2015 #2

Kick nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #3

man, she really hits all the ugly, bigoted talking points. and cali Jun 2015 #4

"Whither the people go, I will follow; for I am their Leader." n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #7

sickening nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #5

I wish you luck convincing glbtq folks and people of color HRC is a homophobe and a bigot... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #6

I can't force you to see what is right in front of your eyes. Bonobo Jun 2015 #9

no one is saying that GLBT folks think she's a bigot, but you damn well know cali Jun 2015 #10

I could hardly believe what Bill said in his DOMA signing statement: Bonobo Jun 2015 #14

Isn't that the same time... Oilwellian Jun 2015 #8

I also found her manner of speaking in the video to be strange. Bonobo Jun 2015 #23

I'll leave the judgements for the gay community to make.... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #11

Let everyone make their own judgments AFTER the facts and history are on the table. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #12

Yes, of course. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #13

Indeed. For politicians and for clergy. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #15

everyone, gay or not has the right to judge her on all issues cali Jun 2015 #16

True, but not everyone is in a position to judge her from... JaneyVee Jun 2015 #20

How do you explain this video? delrem Jun 2015 #40

one criticism many have of the Clintons is they look at political expediency too much, remember that JI7 Jun 2015 #43

I didn't know that. delrem Jun 2015 #45

Yes it is encouraged madokie Jun 2015 #17

Hillary is not a politician in the Bernie Sanders mold Tom Rinaldo Jun 2015 #18

Really. That's quite some trust you're willing to give. delrem Jun 2015 #41

What does concern me? Tom Rinaldo Jun 2015 #54

Were a lot of Democrats publicly calling for marriage equality in 2004? Orrex Jun 2015 #19

yes. and most certainly were not giving seeches like that. cali Jun 2015 #21

Interesting. Who? Orrex Jun 2015 #22

Bernie Sanders. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #29

I believe you, but I would appreciate a link to a particularly clear statement on the issue Orrex Jun 2015 #59

Howard Dean nt riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #44

Howard Dean opposed gay marriage in 2004. Drunken Irishman Jun 2015 #53

All of them. Except Hillary Clinton. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #47

Surprised this is being so easily overlooked. Just watch it and ask yourself WTF? nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #24

flat out religion based bigotry cali Jun 2015 #25

Plus you have to add in the nauseating political expediency angle. Don't forget that. Bonobo Jun 2015 #28

Religious fundamentalism. Period. delrem Jun 2015 #42

Hillary "Weather Vane" Clinton Oneironaut Jun 2015 #26

. riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #27

Well unlike Bernie Sanders Hillary has evolve dontcha know Autumn Jun 2015 #30

Not just a bond but a "sacred" bond ? Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #31

Let me know when you pass this along to the 18 million people who voted for her in 2008... brooklynite Jun 2015 #32

I think it's best to start close to home. Bonobo Jun 2015 #33

The ironic thing is she is practically a gay icon DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #35

That is the most inexplicable thing. Bonobo Jun 2015 #36

All I will say is wait for the votes to come in... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #37

I am sure you are right, but I have to wonder how the cognitive dissonance Bonobo Jun 2015 #38

it's not surprising to anyone who actually listens and pays attention to what people are saying JI7 Jun 2015 #39

The data suggests she is hugely popular among people of color and the lgbtq communities DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #55

One day this country will have to confront its homophobia. DemocraticWing Jun 2015 #34

why the Clintons and especially Hillary are popular among LGBT JI7 Jun 2015 #46

DOMA delrem Jun 2015 #48

Oh I'm sorry, I forgot. History doesn't count. n/t delrem Jun 2015 #49

Social justice! nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #50

Oh yes, those two are surely the leaders! nt delrem Jun 2015 #51

+1 Metric System Jun 2015 #58

She has come around to supporting equality- one suspects, privately, she always did- now that Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #52

K/R Autumn Jun 2015 #56

But Hillary gets a pass... Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #57

Obama's position prior to 2012 was "marriage is between a man and a woman...God is in the mix". Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #60

Evolved. Bonobo Jun 2015 #61

Probably. I also like to think that Obama privately opposes the death penalty, Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #62

There are lots of ways to divide up the types of people in the world. Bonobo Jun 2015 #63