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In reply to the discussion: Neil Young is a longtime supporter of Bernie Sanders. Trump's use of song was not authorized. [View all]jberryhill
(62,444 posts)78. For a lot of reasons
First, very few artists actually own the rights in their recordings and, unlike your sale of a painting, they have assigned rights in those recordings or compositions to the owners - in MOST instances.
However, even among the very few artists who do actually own rights in the recordings and/or compositions, many of them have authorized ASCAP to license those works for various purposes.
The reason is that when someone is seeking to use a recording for a commercial purpose - an event, an incidental track in a TV show or movie, whatever - they typically go to ASCAP, because ASCAP has pretty much a universal library of popular music. If you run a commercial establishment, like a restaurant, and you play music over a loudspeaker system, you buy the right license from ASCAP, and you won't be busted by the people they send around to unlicensed bars and restaurants to see if they are playing music.
Political campaigns typically do buy licenses from ASCAP in order to use various recordings at events. If they have done so, they are covered, no matter WHAT the artist says.
This whole "I didn't approve of that" thing has become a regular ritual in American political campaigns. No actual legal action results, because it is typically the artist simply making a personal objection, and usually knowing darn well that if the campaign bought the license through ASCAP, there is nothing the artist can do about it under a copyright claim.
Secondly, there is the measure of damages. Basically, about the only thing practically available - in a situation where the artist owns the rights and hasn't authorized ASCAP to license them - would be an injunction against the campaign from using it again, or from using recordings of the event if the sound is included. There just aren't significant monetary damages on the table. To what extent did it impair the market for the recording? To what extent did the campaign profit from it? What was the license value for that snippet of the song anyway?
Interestingly, Europe has a much more developed notion of "moral rights" in works that go beyond the commercial rights in copyright, but that's neither here nor there.
These are primarily media exercises, and not real legal claims.
Now, if the song were used in a way that it was the theme or slogan of the campaign, or if it were done in such a way that one would think the artist endorses the candidate, then there are some non-copyright causes of action that become relevant, but almost never apply to these types of ritual situations.
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Neil Young is a longtime supporter of Bernie Sanders. Trump's use of song was not authorized. [View all]
think
Jun 2015
OP
Yep. The GOP are repeat offenders in stealing IP. They keep doing it over and over again. /nt
think
Jun 2015
#2
And it's funny because of their usual stances on "other people's" money or property
treestar
Jun 2015
#58
It is not really about learning in my opinion - they just do not care. It is a variant of IOKIYAR.
xocet
Jun 2015
#34
After all the air we breathe is free (so far). Why shouldn't music of the airwaves be free as well?
sorechasm
Jun 2015
#47
After Neil wins his Donald suit, then I'd have him give all benefits to Bernie!
drynberg
Jun 2015
#72
Why can I play the song at a bar (after paying ascap or bmi) but not at a rally? nt
Logical
Jun 2015
#13
There are different categories. Like a contract for music on hold, club music and then there are
LiberalArkie
Jun 2015
#25
The company I used to work for had a contract from Muzak for music on hold, and a contract from them
LiberalArkie
Jun 2015
#33
Do you have to have permission to play the song? Or if you pay ASCAP and BMI can you just use it? nt
Logical
Jun 2015
#12
Maybe Neil Young, Chrissie Hynde, Peter Gabriel and others who have their songs "misused"...
cascadiance
Jun 2015
#19
She is. But it still sucks. The music alone gives the Limbaugh program a greater sense of credence
Enthusiast
Jun 2015
#59
They should get together and have a giant concert to raise funds for Bernie's campaign.
Enthusiast
Jun 2015
#60
Republicans keep doing this, which is so stupid because they get a few moments of music and
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#16
Didn't New Jersey briefly consider using "Born to Run" as its state song?
RufusTFirefly
Jun 2015
#31
Well, unfortunately he also wrote it for the anti-choice movement. (intentionally or not)
MH1
Jun 2015
#66
I would love to see Neil Young show up to some Bernie campaign rallies to perform that song
Bjorn Against
Jun 2015
#51
They never listen to the lyrics. Nor do they ever research the artist's political leanings.
smokey nj
Jun 2015
#55
Another example of a dimwit GOPer not understanding (or caring about) what the song means
deutsey
Jun 2015
#67