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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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140. Thanks for the thoughtful response.

Mon May 14, 2012, 12:59 PM

May 2012

Yes same sex couples should be equal to other couples in all respects. I look at the situation of same sex couples as a subset of issues more widespread. Many households could benefit from various aspects of privilege that are now reserved to those who are married. People who maybe operate like a family in some respects are currently taxed at a higher "single" rate, pay for insurance individually and are legally regarded as "roommates".

I realize removing marriage from our culture would be more difficult than was removing slavery. I also accept that marriage has social connotations beyond anything religious to most everyone so this would NEVER happen. I am just a person who buys decongestants, antihistamines, cough suppressants and analgesics all separately and take only the ones I need one at a time. There are times when a cold combo formula might be more convenient but more frequently I need only one or two of those drugs. I feel better with one less type of drug to stock.

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So people who are married would no longer be legally related? XemaSab May 2012 #1

In the dictionary sense... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #4

If I understand the question: not gonna happen. Nt xchrom May 2012 #2

I kind of figured that. n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #5

As heard on Thom Hartmann... Permanut May 2012 #3

marriage began as... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #6

But it's a civil contract NOW. xchrom May 2012 #7

Yes... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #8

I favor it if it is not for all consenting adults. etherealtruth May 2012 #21

I not clear... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #24

I favor [your response] ... with my caveat etherealtruth May 2012 #32

Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #39

No, it didn't. jeff47 May 2012 #145

What's your point? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #147

My point is that your claim is wrong jeff47 May 2012 #148

Very true... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #151

Someone has to record them. jeff47 May 2012 #155

It's been 30 years... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #156

And I've had to do so multiple times jeff47 May 2012 #162

My point isn't... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #163

Ok, you're unconscious in the hospital. jeff47 May 2012 #164

Shame on my spouse... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #165

So did your insurance company find out who your spouse is using telepathy? Bluenorthwest May 2012 #177

That's because it is automatic, kid. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #176

I didn't say... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #183

you're part of the problem because when the LGBT community was about to gain marriage rights CreekDog Feb 2016 #208

Marriage may predate all modern religions, but superstition has probably been around even longer MNBrewer May 2012 #189

Except the anti-"Gay Marriage" people are basing it on Christianity. jeff47 May 2012 #200

This is what I don't like... cynatnite May 2012 #9

so then... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #11

I'm not saying that... cynatnite May 2012 #14

In a word... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #19

This is one time when it should be legislated.. cynatnite May 2012 #26

nutjobs discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #28

Agreed. I just did a bit of reading on polygamy... cynatnite May 2012 #33

Don't get all... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #38

So there is some other institution in our country for enforcing contracts? eridani May 2012 #96

I think you'd have better luck... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #98

So, you are agreeing that the government, and only the government, enforces collection? eridani May 2012 #100

Yes but... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #102

Which is legally a contract between two people n/t eridani May 2012 #107

That is the current reality. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #110

And the alternative to the government for dealing with contract disputes is what? eridani May 2012 #116

Settling a disagreement... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #118

Where else but at state archives would such records be kept? n/t eridani May 2012 #121

I'm not quite sure what you're driving at. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #126

Not all people can afford personal attorneys, and records get lost eridani May 2012 #136

Of course there are big common sense issues with it... But ideologically I'm with you. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #10

other options exist discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #12

Most personal matters, like faith and love are better without government involvement, yes. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #13

There is no essential reason for marriage to be... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #16

Marriage is not a religious practice jeff47 May 2012 #146

Religions WERE civil law for most of recorded history. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #166

Because Caesar existed for all of the Roman Republic/Empire jeff47 May 2012 #169

The Romans ran an empire, and they did not impose their own religion onto Bluenorthwest May 2012 #178

Interesting facts. napoleon_in_rags May 2012 #203

You forgot the "Hell NO!" option RC May 2012 #15

And aside from... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #25

See post #17 RC May 2012 #72

I feel like I've heard this argument before. Iggo May 2012 #17

Not "get rid of" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #22

I'm not sure you phrased that right. nt alphafemale May 2012 #18

Well... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #20

I don't hate the idea, but I am against it, so I can't accurately vote in your poll. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #23

You could hit the "Pass" button :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #27

That would pass the time, but it wouldn't mean very much. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #35

You seem to be a very precise person. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #104

I try. Thank you for noticing. nt ZombieHorde May 2012 #106

Marriage grants important legal rights NutmegYankee May 2012 #29

These same entitlements... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #30

Please detail then. NutmegYankee May 2012 #34

Whatever you need... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #36

So why not keep them available in the package they are in now? Why go fill out numerous forms, file uppityperson May 2012 #47

The lawyer is probably cheaper than a wedding. ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #57

wtf? No. Here in WA it costs $35-65 for a license, depending on the county. License fees are much uppityperson May 2012 #60

Because now gay people want them, too, silly. Iggo May 2012 #61

You must be a lawyer... NutmegYankee May 2012 #49

That's a negative! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #53

Not immigration. wickerwoman May 2012 #204

I would suggest... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #205

How would that work with immigration and green cards? (nt) Nye Bevan May 2012 #31

Same as now... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #37

How can it work "the same as now, but without marriage"? Nye Bevan May 2012 #50

No. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #56

So you would prevent Americans from marriage to those outside the country. Bluenorthwest May 2012 #179

bad hat discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #185

Well you have not provided, in your little system treestar May 2012 #197

I would suggest... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #199

Yes, please anything to avoid letting TEH GAY have the M word! Warren DeMontague May 2012 #40

"avoid letting TEH GAY have the M word!" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #42

Saying "get rid of civil marriage entirely" is a no sale argument, not to mention Warren DeMontague May 2012 #44

Well the equal rights aspect... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #51

Good luck with that. Warren DeMontague May 2012 #52

Thanks discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #55

he wasn't actually wishing you good luck CreekDog Feb 2016 #209

I'm not actually wishing you good luck either. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #210

That's ok CreekDog Feb 2016 #211

~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2016 #212

Legalize Lonnie Anderson's hair. H2O Man May 2012 #41

Why? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #43

Obvious answer: H2O Man May 2012 #45

If all those legal things are available otherwise, I don't get why you don't want them available. uppityperson May 2012 #46

I this what you meant? SoutherDem May 2012 #48

I would be fine... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #54

If it's quite alright with you MattBaggins May 2012 #70

Why not just have... Chellee May 2012 #132

This is essentially... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #133

I do not believe marriage should have privileges not given to other types of relationships. alarimer May 2012 #58

I would prefer... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #62

It is funny to me that those who say that are ALWAYS married themselves Bluenorthwest May 2012 #184

My wife and I... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #186

Nope....I'm all for the civil union recognized by the government taking precedence ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #59

I vote "pass" though I agree in princple, in reality it doesn't work that way. joshcryer May 2012 #63

"Marriage conveys rights that non-married people don't have..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #68

You didn't read the rest of my post. That's what society endows marriage, not some magical... joshcryer May 2012 #69

It is easy... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #78

Yes. And we'd call it marriage, because that contract has, by our societal standards... joshcryer May 2012 #108

My route eliminates... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #112

Your route requires institutions to stop recognizing the institution of marriage. joshcryer May 2012 #123

It has nothing to do with "fairness" and everything to do with reality MattBaggins May 2012 #71

Why is it okay... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #79

Can't have it both ways. Signing a legal document conveys rights that those who don't sign don't uppityperson May 2012 #73

I don't think it's fair that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #80

DUers HELP please? I can never remember the difference between a strawman and a red herring. uppityperson May 2012 #85

At your service discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #88

The poster is for relationship equality, but against marriage. joshcryer May 2012 #109

I think we mostly agree... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #130

It's a slippery slope. If you advocate for this (which is in theory more egalitarian)... joshcryer May 2012 #134

And yet you are personally married. As are all of the folks who claim they are 'against it in Bluenorthwest May 2012 #187

Were the government to... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #190

There are all sorts of civil things that accrue to SheilaT May 2012 #64

IMHO... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #66

Chances are, in the hypothetical case of the SheilaT May 2012 #137

Thanks for the thoughtful response. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #140

and undo hundreds of years in women's rights? no thanks. La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #65

Which rights are you talking about? discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #67

For starters, the right to inherit property and other such spousal rights. uppityperson May 2012 #74

I had no trouble... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #75

Nonsequitur. eom uppityperson May 2012 #84

Irony ;) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #87

Civil Marriage provides legal protections. It's a contract. So the govt has to be involved, if you Honeycombe8 May 2012 #76

"It's a contract. So the govt has to be involved..." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #82

Of course not every contract demands a fee but laws and contracts are by civil, ie government, autho uppityperson May 2012 #86

A contract is... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #89

If it is legal, the gvt is involved. eom uppityperson May 2012 #90

You are free to believe as you wish. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #91

And you are free to believe that "while legally binding and potentially court enforceable" has uppityperson May 2012 #92

If The Contract Is Breached, What Do You Do? ProfessorGAC May 2012 #139

A family unit is good thing. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #141

Yes, gvt does approve participation of the parties. Can a 6 yr old sign a legal contract for S-corp? uppityperson May 2012 #93

We are and are discussing adults and adult actions here. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #94

It is sexual ORIENTATION, not "sexual preference". Orientation is hard wired, preference not uppityperson May 2012 #95

I'm an engineer. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #97

Exactly - and the people who want to do that are likely TBF May 2012 #99

It could be just a contract treestar May 2012 #198

i think marriage should mean something. barbtries May 2012 #77

Me too. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #81

AN UPDATE: discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #83

for the record barbtries May 2012 #101

Yay! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #103

question.... unkachuck May 2012 #105

Question.... uppityperson May 2012 #111

'If "marriage" was gotten rid of, could you never have sex?' unkachuck May 2012 #113

Why would anyone outlaw marriage? n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #115

Why would anyone outlaw it for those of the same sex? n/t uppityperson May 2012 #117

I asked you first. :) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #120

Because. uppityperson May 2012 #124

Have a great time. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #128

You made a reference to marriage being outlawed. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #144

Outlawed, taken outside the law. The law being put in place by the gvt. uppityperson May 2012 #154

You and your intended... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #114

"You and your intended..." unkachuck May 2012 #119

I can think of a number of strategies but... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #122

What? Take a doctor's advice over that of an anonymous internet forum poster? uppityperson May 2012 #125

I know my limits. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #127

Unfortunately the legal aspect of marriage is important. Renew Deal May 2012 #129

Could you be more specific... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #131

Property, children, who is and isn't married... Renew Deal May 2012 #135

This whole "burn it all down" thing seems to crop up any time progress is made for gay civil rights. The Link May 2012 #138

I didn't primarily have gay civil rights in mind. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #143

But you are yourself married, so clearly you don't have yourself in mind either.... Bluenorthwest May 2012 #194

Maybe if I used CAPITAL letters. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #195

There is not enough information to make a decision Taverner May 2012 #142

Why do you feel that way? Blue_Tires May 2012 #149

Because... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #153

ok... Blue_Tires May 2012 #158

I get that what I propose... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #161

You have it backwards. kristopher May 2012 #150

No I don't. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #152

Beats letting religious institutions do it. kristopher May 2012 #157

rules, religion and discrimination discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #159

Whatever happens, it has to be EXACTLY IDENTICAL v-a-v straight/gay closeupready May 2012 #160

Marriage is still the most straightforward way to convey inheritance rights OmahaBlueDog May 2012 #167

True enough! discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #168

Since laws are the government, how do you propose gvt getting out of anything to do with uppityperson May 2012 #170

I would prefer... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #171

How can you have legal things without the gvt? Laws are passed, implemented, upheld, BY the gvt. uppityperson May 2012 #172

I sign a contact with... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #173

So you just don't want to have to get "permission", not have gvt out of legal affairs. uppityperson May 2012 #174

"statutes in most states are far too restrictive" discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #180

That's utterly false. Many people make their own pre nuptial agreements which define the Bluenorthwest May 2012 #188

You proved my point. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #191

No, you said all marriages are made out of a preset contract to which the parties can only agree Bluenorthwest May 2012 #192

I don't recall... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #193

Kick. sarcasmo May 2012 #175

Thanks for the kick. :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #182

i've always felt that laws and policies promoting long-term, monogamous relationships would benefit maggiesfarmer May 2012 #181

I'm not sure that I disagree with you that... discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #196

My government represents me, at least partially, or it has failed. WriteWrong May 2012 #201

I can accept that. discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #202

Hate the idea tabbycat31 May 2012 #206

Okay by me. n/t :) discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2012 #207