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In reply to the discussion: Gun owners not likely to use firearms for self-defense, study claims [View all]SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)3. Criminal Uses Outnumber Self-Defense Uses
The spurious conclusions in these surveys dont just distort the pro-gun communitys perception of defensive gun use. For example, the claim that millions every year shoot their guns in self-defense has led some to posit that there are more defensive gun uses than criminal uses. This assertion is inexplicablenot backed by any substantive evidence. We have yet to find a single study examining the question that does not show that criminal uses far outweigh defensive uses.
You might hear gun advocates substantiate this claim by comparing inflated survey numbers like Klecks with NCVS crime numbers. But defensive gun use surveys and the NCVS use different methodologies. To compare those two data sets is to break one of the most important laws of statistical analysis: You must always compare likes to likes.
And indeed, comparing NCVS results to NCVS results yields a very different picturethat more than 9 times as many people are victimized by guns than protected by them. Respondents in two Harvard surveys had more than 3 times as many offensive gun uses against them as defensive gun uses. Another study focusing on adolescences found 13 times as many offensive gun uses. Yet another study focusing on gun use in the home found that a gun was more than 6 times more likely to be used to intimidate a family member than in a defensive capacity. The evidence is nearly unanimous.
http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-defensive-gun-use-myth/
You might hear gun advocates substantiate this claim by comparing inflated survey numbers like Klecks with NCVS crime numbers. But defensive gun use surveys and the NCVS use different methodologies. To compare those two data sets is to break one of the most important laws of statistical analysis: You must always compare likes to likes.
And indeed, comparing NCVS results to NCVS results yields a very different picturethat more than 9 times as many people are victimized by guns than protected by them. Respondents in two Harvard surveys had more than 3 times as many offensive gun uses against them as defensive gun uses. Another study focusing on adolescences found 13 times as many offensive gun uses. Yet another study focusing on gun use in the home found that a gun was more than 6 times more likely to be used to intimidate a family member than in a defensive capacity. The evidence is nearly unanimous.
http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-defensive-gun-use-myth/
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Gun owners not likely to use firearms for self-defense, study claims [View all]
SecularMotion
Jun 2015
OP
No switching topics, or answering questions with a question; slippery discussion tactics. eom
BlancheSplanchnik
Jun 2015
#82
I'm trying to figure out why you would agree with one side of the issue and not be
GGJohn
Jun 2015
#86
I'm trying to figure out why you're harrassing me. I don't need a PhD to understand an issue
BlancheSplanchnik
Jun 2015
#89
They conduct a "study" that ignores three out of the four possible outcomes of DGU
hack89
Jun 2015
#4
It's true...most are used for family fun at he range, friendly competitions and hunting.
ileus
Jun 2015
#6
Translation: I am unable to rebut your statement and am leaving to avoid further embarrassment. n/t
Shamash
Jun 2015
#12
No, I'm just part of this homogeneous group that shares blame for any gun crime.
linuxman
Jun 2015
#38
Well, are you working to block any efforts to identify people who can not properly handle guns?
jeff47
Jun 2015
#41
Of course we do. But expect the gun nuts to be out in force the next few days...
99Forever
Jun 2015
#13
That would be an admission you have no argument, then? Thank you for confirming it.
Shamash
Jun 2015
#32
"There are only two sides to this, good and evil. I have zero doubt on which side I am on"
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2015
#88
You're wrong, the gun laws about who can PURCHASE a firearm haven't changed much
Lurks Often
Jun 2015
#16
A study that only counts killing the attacker as a DGU is laughably biased. Criminals are also
Nuclear Unicorn
Jun 2015
#11
The same place where the stats are for criminal woundings, criminal holdings and criminal chasing?
Thor_MN
Jun 2015
#17
"Study, schmudy. If it doesn't validate my biases, the study is flawed." ~ Idiots
LanternWaste
Jun 2015
#24
Please be aware that among African Americans, attitudes toward gun ownership are changing...
Eleanors38
Jun 2015
#48
Exacerbation is possible, but arming for self-defense is not a systemic social movement....
Eleanors38
Jun 2015
#94
The CDC disagrees. Repitition makes for Narrative™, but not accuracy and truth.
Eleanors38
Jun 2015
#50
The CDC says at a minimum, guns are used in SD about 300,000X a year, some say over 2 millionx.
Eleanors38
Jun 2015
#69