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Lizzie Poppet

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29. SC already HAS a law against firearms in churches.

Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:34 AM

Jun 2015

I agree, though: universal background checks, combined with far greater access to mental health records for the NICS system that the checks employ, could definitely help with mass shootings. I don't know if the shooter in Charleston had a record that would have prevented transfer of a firearm (he had arrests, but apparently no criminal convictions...I haven't read anything about his mental health history), but it might have. He seems to have been given a gun as a birthday present...don't know if it's the murder weapon. Universal background checks would have made it the gift-givers legal responsibility to have a check made.

That brings up an important point, though: mass killings are extremely high-profile events, but represent a very small fraction of total homicides in the US. Efforts to significantly reduce the grisly total would be better concentrated on the root causes of such crimes: the idiotic War on Drugs, gross economic inequality, and so forth.

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Charleston church shooting: Without gun control, racism will keep killing black people [View all] Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 OP

Guns + hate radio is an incredibly toxic mix. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #1

Nice the way they capitalize on a tragedy so quickly. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #2

Nice way gun bullies kill innocents on a daily basis. 99Forever Jun 2015 #7

Sure. linuxman Jun 2015 #8

I don't care what you believe. 99Forever Jun 2015 #10

Oh you care. linuxman Jun 2015 #12

Bub bye. 99Forever Jun 2015 #13

It's in the manual: sarisataka Jun 2015 #26

Wow! I've never seen that before. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #28

It is why I am cynical sarisataka Jun 2015 #30

You read it Nevernose Jun 2015 #31

It is unclear who funded it sarisataka Jun 2015 #35

oh? when is it acceptable to bring it up? CreekDog Jun 2015 #33

Says someone who doesn't have to think about these things... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #69

short of gun ban laws like those in England, it won't work cali Jun 2015 #3

I think there's that weird gun culture, as well as the 2nd Amendment that are the problems... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #6

That's obviously not true. The rest of Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. also have tiny DanTex Jun 2015 #37

K&R demmiblue Jun 2015 #4

Racists would rather have defenseless victims Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #5

So in the happy world you envision, we are all stuck carrying guns to church..? lostnfound Jun 2015 #9

In the linked story the police were part of the attacking Klan rally. How would disarming Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #15

it's a conservative meme that gun control supporters are trying to disarm African Americans CreekDog Jun 2015 #34

Of the two of us which one of us insists the parishioners be disarmed by force of law? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #44

gun control is not disarming people CreekDog Jun 2015 #47

What gun control do you propose will stop criminals without Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #53

I'd rather not see racists have easy access to guns... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #14

Criminals have easy access to anything they want. What do their victims get easy access to? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #17

Do you think those church-goers should have been carrying guns? Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #19

Every one of them? No. But a parishioner in Colorado Springs killed an active shooter. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #22

I will ALWAYS REMEMBER YOU for saying "criminals have easy access to anything they want" CreekDog Jun 2015 #38

How's that drug war gping? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #39

Boom. linuxman Jun 2015 #62

nuclear weapons? CreekDog Jun 2015 #36

Yeah. Sure. Nukes. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #42

you said criminals can easily access anything they want CreekDog Jun 2015 #46

Why would a criminal want a nuke? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #51

Your vision of America's future SUCKS. tridim Jun 2015 #56

"Rational people want no part of your lust for MORE blood." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #57

No, I'm saying rational people don't like seeing MORE BLOOD SPILLED... tridim Jun 2015 #59

It's weird how you fixate on those who are the targets of killers and rapists bit you have nothing Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #60

Isn't that the plan? n/t malaise Jun 2015 #11

Marlon Kimpson, SC Senator on CNN now talking about "getting guns off the streets" Sancho Jun 2015 #16

"quit passing laws to allow guns in schools and churches" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #18

I don't care to live in a wild west shootout, we know guns are more often used to murder... Sancho Jun 2015 #20

Just because you keep reposting it doesn't make it true. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #23

"we know guns are more often used to murder" sarisataka Jun 2015 #25

SC already HAS a law against firearms in churches. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #29

I would like to more comprehensive checks for dangerous people... Sancho Jun 2015 #32

Hopefully greytdemocrat Jun 2015 #21

I'm not gonna get into romanic Jun 2015 #24

Thank you sarisataka Jun 2015 #27

You are saying two ridiculous things that don't belong here CreekDog Jun 2015 #40

Not at all sarisataka Jun 2015 #45

you're so predictable, in the aftermath of mass shootings you say that gun control is "emotion" CreekDog Jun 2015 #49

Well since you seem to have overlooked sarisataka Jun 2015 #52

What about people who are "using" this incident to talk about racism. DanTex Jun 2015 #58

Good question sarisataka Jun 2015 #61

Really? So gun control laws are now the equivalent of "anti-white laws"? DanTex Jun 2015 #63

We have hate crime laws sarisataka Jun 2015 #64

Your personal opinion is that gun control laws in the rest of the civilized world are DanTex Jun 2015 #66

Many of the laws in other countries are sarisataka Jun 2015 #67

"Extreme" according to you. From the perspective of the world, the laws are sensible DanTex Jun 2015 #68

To hunters in England sarisataka Jun 2015 #72

I don't see the problem with the NFA idea. $300 is what a decent gun costs to begin with, DanTex Jun 2015 #73

We are getting closer in agreement sarisataka Jun 2015 #74

YW. romanic Jun 2015 #50

He needs to be prosecuted sarisataka Jun 2015 #54

more laws, ......... thats the answer to stopping crime. NM_Birder Jun 2015 #41

It's not the number of laws, it's their content. DanTex Jun 2015 #43

the murder rates of other countries is irrelevant to the situation here. NM_Birder Jun 2015 #75

I support strong gun control whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #48

Apparently this particular psychopath recently got his gun as a birthday present. Vinca Jun 2015 #55

A point that is all too often overlooked. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #65

The AA on AA shootings are no worse than white on white or Native American on Native American uponit7771 Jun 2015 #70

Do you have a link? TIA. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #71

Here is the FBI breakdown on murders in 2012 by race hack89 Jun 2015 #76

Yes, links inside.. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #77

Your links back up my post. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #78

Black on black murder is not relatively noteworthy but is made of note in your post, it's not a ... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #79