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DanTex

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61. I'm posting from outside the NRA bubble. That's why it feels so foreign to you.

Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:29 AM

Jun 2015

If you really want to post the part of the CDC report that concludes that owning or carrying a gun results is net benefit rather than risk, please, be my guest.

Or the part where they say that the evidence shows that using a gun defensively is superior to other countermeasures.

Or the part where the overall benefit to society from DGUs is greater than the overall harms from gun violence.

Here, if you want, I'll post the section that makes all of these claims:

Oh wait, it doesn't exist.

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Gun owners not likely to use firearms for self-defense, study claims [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2015 OP

The recent CDC report seems to suggest otherwise... Marengo Jun 2015 #1

What were last nights killings in Charleston? liberal N proud Jun 2015 #2

Criminal Uses Outnumber Self-Defense Uses SecularMotion Jun 2015 #3

The only people who don't believe this BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #20

CDC doesn't believe it either. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #27

Then why not reply to the other two posters? BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #55

Why would you agree with them if your not too knowledge about the issue? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #80

No switching topics, or answering questions with a question; slippery discussion tactics. eom BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #82

It's a legitmate question. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #83

So was mine, which you sidestepped. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #84

I'm trying to figure out why you would agree with one side of the issue and not be GGJohn Jun 2015 #86

I'm trying to figure out why you're harrassing me. I don't need a PhD to understand an issue BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #89

I'm sorry if you think I'm harrassing you, that's not my intent, GGJohn Jun 2015 #90

They conduct a "study" that ignores three out of the four possible outcomes of DGU hack89 Jun 2015 #4

Meanwhile, the KKK has a study saying blacks are inferior Shamash Jun 2015 #5

It's true...most are used for family fun at he range, friendly competitions and hunting. ileus Jun 2015 #6

This country needs to start revisiting some of these latest loosing of gun laws madokie Jun 2015 #7

If some rights are less equal than others, then they are not rights Shamash Jun 2015 #8

Good day madokie Jun 2015 #9

Translation: I am unable to rebut your statement and am leaving to avoid further embarrassment. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #12

An angry person without a gun is just an angry person. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #19

^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #21

Hmm. linuxman Jun 2015 #30

You aren't every gun owner. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #37

No, I'm just part of this homogeneous group that shares blame for any gun crime. linuxman Jun 2015 #38

When you enable the gun owners who can not handle weapons responsibly jeff47 Jun 2015 #39

How am I enabling anyone? I don't buy into shared culpability/group guilt. linuxman Jun 2015 #40

Well, are you working to block any efforts to identify people who can not properly handle guns? jeff47 Jun 2015 #41

What identifies those people? Can you name some things? linuxman Jun 2015 #47

It's difficult to kill as efficiently with a knife mythology Jun 2015 #54

Of course we do. But expect the gun nuts to be out in force the next few days... 99Forever Jun 2015 #13

Yup done happened madokie Jun 2015 #14

Let me get this straight Shamash Jun 2015 #18

Save it for the gun bullies. 99Forever Jun 2015 #22

Full of fauxtrage this morning, aren't we? Shamash Jun 2015 #25

Argument? 99Forever Jun 2015 #26

That would be an admission you have no argument, then? Thank you for confirming it. Shamash Jun 2015 #32

"The blood is on all of their hands..." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #35

#35: Read it carefully. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #46

Nope, I have no interest in gun bully propaganda. 99Forever Jun 2015 #53

Let me run that through Google Translate... Shamash Jun 2015 #58

Your expression "gun bully" is revealing... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #67

I calls em like I sees em. 99Forever Jun 2015 #70

Neither do I. Let me know if you see one post in DU. Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #74

The gun haters are already out in force exploiting tragedy friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #78

Good. May their words keep you awake indefinately. 99Forever Jun 2015 #79

Why would the words of the politically ineffectual keep me awake? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #85

They should. 99Forever Jun 2015 #87

"There are only two sides to this, good and evil. I have zero doubt on which side I am on" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #88

Seems pretty clear which side you stand on. 99Forever Jun 2015 #92

You're wrong, the gun laws about who can PURCHASE a firearm haven't changed much Lurks Often Jun 2015 #16

How many times have you had to deal former9thward Jun 2015 #60

Yeah this study isn't biases or anything. romanic Jun 2015 #10

A study that only counts killing the attacker as a DGU is laughably biased. Criminals are also Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #11

Did you even bother to read the study? SecularMotion Jun 2015 #15

The same place where the stats are for criminal woundings, criminal holdings and criminal chasing? Thor_MN Jun 2015 #17

I like Secular Motion and Thor's replies to your remark. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #23

Well spotted.nt LittleBlue Jun 2015 #81

"Study, schmudy. If it doesn't validate my biases, the study is flawed." ~ Idiots LanternWaste Jun 2015 #24

I wonder what you would say about studies that show the opposite? former9thward Jun 2015 #62

I like how it only counts if the gun owner kills someone is self defense. linuxman Jun 2015 #28

Actually, the study addresses (albeit not well) those defensive usages. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #36

K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #29

And 32 times of homicide versus 1 time of self-defense Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #31

Please be aware that among African Americans, attitudes toward gun ownership are changing... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #48

I'm aware of the trends Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #93

Exacerbation is possible, but arming for self-defense is not a systemic social movement.... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #94

I agree. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #33

The CDC disagrees. Repitition makes for Narrative™, but not accuracy and truth. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #50

I believe tbere are about Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #52

The CDC says at a minimum, guns are used in SD about 300,000X a year, some say over 2 millionx. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #69

I stand by my assertion that it is unlikely Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #73

I agree. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #75

Ban all guns! n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #34

IBTL ...This belongs in the gungeon. L0oniX Jun 2015 #42

It has been alerted, but you know how that goes. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #51

The whole "self-defense" meme is pretty much a myth. DanTex Jun 2015 #43

Can we count on your support? Shamash Jun 2015 #45

This has been examined at length in the peer reviewed literature. DanTex Jun 2015 #49

A not-very-deft dodging of the question Shamash Jun 2015 #56

You are the one who is dodging. DanTex Jun 2015 #57

What planet are you posting this from? Shamash Jun 2015 #59

I'm posting from outside the NRA bubble. That's why it feels so foreign to you. DanTex Jun 2015 #61

Since you insist Shamash Jun 2015 #63

Thank you. Exactly as I said. Although the NRA would be proud of your selected excerpting. DanTex Jun 2015 #64

So, is the CDC report myth or not? Shamash Jun 2015 #66

The CDC report includes a three paragraph summary of the DGU literature. DanTex Jun 2015 #68

They needed a study for this? Initech Jun 2015 #44

unfortunately the country is the Gungeon . olddots Jun 2015 #65

I disagree, but that is a good turn of phrase. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #71

Give it up. With 3D printers making guns, they are unregulatable. TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2015 #72

The trouble with studies HassleCat Jun 2015 #76

I agree Shamash Jun 2015 #77

Cannot one defend themselves without killing another? X_Digger Jun 2015 #91