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sarisataka

(22,386 posts)
61. Good question
Thu Jun 18, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jun 2015

I will reply with a question- are people trying to gather support for anti-white laws?

Racism is an issue and probably a greater one than guns. He could have chained the doors and lit the church on fir; I believe that has been done before.

Racism cannot be fixed with laws, only hindered. A racist will be racist until they die or learn to overcome their bigotry. The current discussion of racism is a continuation of the ongoing discussion albeit at a higher profile.

Guns can be controlled to a large extent but like the gasoline and match cannot act without the human element. Yet if fire was the weapon of choice would there be accusations of everyone who uses either having "blood on their hands", "promoting this culture" or "being ok with these deaths"? Never would it happen.

Following such an incident the gun control discussion swings wide, casting a a net of collective guilt and shame. It not only diminishes the dead but strengthens those who are already not predisposed to supporting gun control. It also poisons the well when the legislation is brought forth. Gun owners tend to be politically aware and have long memories. Any urge to compromise will be lessened upon recalling than the person proposing the legislation had previously conflated them with a mass murderer.

So how to talk gun control after such a tragedy?

First keep perspective. Despite the hyperbole and coverage this is the rare event. That is why it gets the coverage. Keep in mind that better background checks, safe storage laws and keeping guns out of the hands of those with violent histories including domestic abusers will have the greatest effect overall.

Second, though rare we should not simply dismiss mass shootings. To create any policy to reduce them, we do need information. The history of the shooter, mental state, how the weapons were acquired and so on. That information may be used to make adjustments to the previous policies by pointing out possible warning flags of someone trying to obtain a gun but the root causes will often lie outside of guns. They will also be much more difficult to address but it is necessary if we don't want to simply change the cause of mass murder from guns to fire or bombs.

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Guns + hate radio is an incredibly toxic mix. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2015 #1
Nice the way they capitalize on a tragedy so quickly. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #2
Nice way gun bullies kill innocents on a daily basis. 99Forever Jun 2015 #7
Sure. linuxman Jun 2015 #8
I don't care what you believe. 99Forever Jun 2015 #10
Oh you care. linuxman Jun 2015 #12
Bub bye. 99Forever Jun 2015 #13
It's in the manual: sarisataka Jun 2015 #26
Wow! I've never seen that before. NaturalHigh Jun 2015 #28
It is why I am cynical sarisataka Jun 2015 #30
You read it Nevernose Jun 2015 #31
It is unclear who funded it sarisataka Jun 2015 #35
oh? when is it acceptable to bring it up? CreekDog Jun 2015 #33
Says someone who doesn't have to think about these things... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #69
short of gun ban laws like those in England, it won't work cali Jun 2015 #3
I think there's that weird gun culture, as well as the 2nd Amendment that are the problems... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #6
That's obviously not true. The rest of Europe, Canada, Australia, etc. also have tiny DanTex Jun 2015 #37
K&R demmiblue Jun 2015 #4
Racists would rather have defenseless victims Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #5
So in the happy world you envision, we are all stuck carrying guns to church..? lostnfound Jun 2015 #9
In the linked story the police were part of the attacking Klan rally. How would disarming Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #15
it's a conservative meme that gun control supporters are trying to disarm African Americans CreekDog Jun 2015 #34
Of the two of us which one of us insists the parishioners be disarmed by force of law? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #44
gun control is not disarming people CreekDog Jun 2015 #47
What gun control do you propose will stop criminals without Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #53
I'd rather not see racists have easy access to guns... Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #14
Criminals have easy access to anything they want. What do their victims get easy access to? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #17
Do you think those church-goers should have been carrying guns? Violet_Crumble Jun 2015 #19
Every one of them? No. But a parishioner in Colorado Springs killed an active shooter. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #22
I will ALWAYS REMEMBER YOU for saying "criminals have easy access to anything they want" CreekDog Jun 2015 #38
How's that drug war gping? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #39
Boom. linuxman Jun 2015 #62
nuclear weapons? CreekDog Jun 2015 #36
Yeah. Sure. Nukes. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #42
you said criminals can easily access anything they want CreekDog Jun 2015 #46
Why would a criminal want a nuke? Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #51
Your vision of America's future SUCKS. tridim Jun 2015 #56
"Rational people want no part of your lust for MORE blood." Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #57
No, I'm saying rational people don't like seeing MORE BLOOD SPILLED... tridim Jun 2015 #59
It's weird how you fixate on those who are the targets of killers and rapists bit you have nothing Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #60
Isn't that the plan? n/t malaise Jun 2015 #11
Marlon Kimpson, SC Senator on CNN now talking about "getting guns off the streets" Sancho Jun 2015 #16
"quit passing laws to allow guns in schools and churches" Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #18
I don't care to live in a wild west shootout, we know guns are more often used to murder... Sancho Jun 2015 #20
Just because you keep reposting it doesn't make it true. Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #23
"we know guns are more often used to murder" sarisataka Jun 2015 #25
SC already HAS a law against firearms in churches. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #29
I would like to more comprehensive checks for dangerous people... Sancho Jun 2015 #32
Hopefully greytdemocrat Jun 2015 #21
I'm not gonna get into romanic Jun 2015 #24
Thank you sarisataka Jun 2015 #27
You are saying two ridiculous things that don't belong here CreekDog Jun 2015 #40
Not at all sarisataka Jun 2015 #45
you're so predictable, in the aftermath of mass shootings you say that gun control is "emotion" CreekDog Jun 2015 #49
Well since you seem to have overlooked sarisataka Jun 2015 #52
What about people who are "using" this incident to talk about racism. DanTex Jun 2015 #58
Good question sarisataka Jun 2015 #61
Really? So gun control laws are now the equivalent of "anti-white laws"? DanTex Jun 2015 #63
We have hate crime laws sarisataka Jun 2015 #64
Your personal opinion is that gun control laws in the rest of the civilized world are DanTex Jun 2015 #66
Many of the laws in other countries are sarisataka Jun 2015 #67
"Extreme" according to you. From the perspective of the world, the laws are sensible DanTex Jun 2015 #68
To hunters in England sarisataka Jun 2015 #72
I don't see the problem with the NFA idea. $300 is what a decent gun costs to begin with, DanTex Jun 2015 #73
We are getting closer in agreement sarisataka Jun 2015 #74
YW. romanic Jun 2015 #50
He needs to be prosecuted sarisataka Jun 2015 #54
more laws, ......... thats the answer to stopping crime. NM_Birder Jun 2015 #41
It's not the number of laws, it's their content. DanTex Jun 2015 #43
the murder rates of other countries is irrelevant to the situation here. NM_Birder Jun 2015 #75
I support strong gun control whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #48
Apparently this particular psychopath recently got his gun as a birthday present. Vinca Jun 2015 #55
A point that is all too often overlooked. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #65
The AA on AA shootings are no worse than white on white or Native American on Native American uponit7771 Jun 2015 #70
Do you have a link? TIA. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #71
Here is the FBI breakdown on murders in 2012 by race hack89 Jun 2015 #76
Yes, links inside.. uponit7771 Jun 2015 #77
Your links back up my post. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #78
Black on black murder is not relatively noteworthy but is made of note in your post, it's not a ... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #79
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