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In reply to the discussion: Gun advocates don't just oppose gun control and discussions of gun control [View all]beevul
(12,194 posts)42. See, thats hard to buy...
See, thats hard to buy, when those making and supporting such accusations regularly ignore government research that was done by the CDC as commissioned by President Obama:
The gun control debate is certainly worth reopening. But if were going to reopen it, lets not just rethink the politics. Lets take another look at the facts. Earlier this year, President Obama ordered the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to assess the existing research on gun violence and recommend future studies. That report, prepared by the Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council, is now complete. Its findings wont entirely please the Obama administration or the NRA, but all of us should consider them. Heres a list of the 10 most salient or surprising takeaways.
2. Most indices of crime and gun violence are getting better, not worse. Overall crime rates have declined in the past decade, and violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past 5 years, the report notes. Between 2005 and 2010, the percentage of firearm-related violent victimizations remained generally stable. Meanwhile, firearm-related death rates for youth ages 15 to 19 declined from 1994 to 2009. Accidents are down, too: Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.
5. Mass shootings arent the problem. The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths, says the report. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons. Compare that with the 335,000 gun deaths between 2000 and 2010 alone.
7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008, says the report. The three million figure is probably high, based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. Furthermore, Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
2. Most indices of crime and gun violence are getting better, not worse. Overall crime rates have declined in the past decade, and violent crimes, including homicides specifically, have declined in the past 5 years, the report notes. Between 2005 and 2010, the percentage of firearm-related violent victimizations remained generally stable. Meanwhile, firearm-related death rates for youth ages 15 to 19 declined from 1994 to 2009. Accidents are down, too: Unintentional firearm-related deaths have steadily declined during the past century. The number of unintentional deaths due to firearm-related incidents accounted for less than 1 percent of all unintentional fatalities in 2010.
5. Mass shootings arent the problem. The number of public mass shootings of the type that occurred at Sandy Hook Elementary School accounted for a very small fraction of all firearm-related deaths, says the report. Since 1983 there have been 78 events in which 4 or more individuals were killed by a single perpetrator in 1 day in the United States, resulting in 547 victims and 476 injured persons. Compare that with the 335,000 gun deaths between 2000 and 2010 alone.
7. Guns are used for self-defense often and effectively. Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008, says the report. The three million figure is probably high, based on an extrapolation from a small number of responses taken from more than 19 national surveys. But a much lower estimate of 108,000 also seems fishy, because respondents were not asked specifically about defensive gun use. Furthermore, Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was 'used' by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_nature/2013/06/handguns_suicides_mass_shootings_deaths_and_self_defense_findings_from_a.html
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Gun advocates don't just oppose gun control and discussions of gun control [View all]
CreekDog
Jun 2015
OP
Hoyt. I heard a lot of "______ lover" when I was young. Use a different smear. nt
Eleanors38
Jun 2015
#65
Still applicable today, especially for people who have a gun reference in their user name.
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#68
NRA is anti-liberal and the organization has been particularly disgusting about Obama
Johonny
Jun 2015
#2
The only people I know who won't allow a discussion on guns is Gun Control Reform Activism group.
Travis_0004
Jun 2015
#8
Um, GCRA is the Johnny-come-lately (and a decidedly less active group, at that)
friendly_iconoclast
Jun 2015
#78
Right - because gun manufacturers really give a shit about what an obscure web site thinks
hack89
Jun 2015
#12
Well, it's the same as "climate deniers" swarming out of the woodwork after each weather disaster
villager
Jun 2015
#27
well, that is a global catastrophe but this is a personal tragedy and I really feel
CTyankee
Jun 2015
#28
stop it. stop it right now. Decency commands us to mourn the dead and comfort the
CTyankee
Jun 2015
#31
I'm pretty upset right now...yeah, I get that...you nailed it "with blood still wet on
CTyankee
Jun 2015
#37
I couldn't believe they were doing the jr. high school "gunz is great!" snark routine *last night*
villager
Jun 2015
#39
I had a family member killed in gun violence so I know what happens to families in
CTyankee
Jun 2015
#41
9 African Americans were killed by a white supremecist and you want us to be silent?
CreekDog
Jun 2015
#53
I've only been responding to posts about this issue. I started none and wouldn't.
CTyankee
Jun 2015
#46