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85. Why would the words of the politically ineffectual keep me awake?

Reply to 99Forever (Reply #79)

Thu Jun 18, 2015, 08:37 PM

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Gun owners not likely to use firearms for self-defense, study claims [View all] SecularMotion Jun 2015 OP

The recent CDC report seems to suggest otherwise... Marengo Jun 2015 #1

What were last nights killings in Charleston? liberal N proud Jun 2015 #2

Criminal Uses Outnumber Self-Defense Uses SecularMotion Jun 2015 #3

The only people who don't believe this BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #20

CDC doesn't believe it either. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #27

Then why not reply to the other two posters? BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #55

Why would you agree with them if your not too knowledge about the issue? eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #80

No switching topics, or answering questions with a question; slippery discussion tactics. eom BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #82

It's a legitmate question. eom. GGJohn Jun 2015 #83

So was mine, which you sidestepped. n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #84

I'm trying to figure out why you would agree with one side of the issue and not be GGJohn Jun 2015 #86

I'm trying to figure out why you're harrassing me. I don't need a PhD to understand an issue BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #89

I'm sorry if you think I'm harrassing you, that's not my intent, GGJohn Jun 2015 #90

They conduct a "study" that ignores three out of the four possible outcomes of DGU hack89 Jun 2015 #4

Meanwhile, the KKK has a study saying blacks are inferior Shamash Jun 2015 #5

It's true...most are used for family fun at he range, friendly competitions and hunting. ileus Jun 2015 #6

This country needs to start revisiting some of these latest loosing of gun laws madokie Jun 2015 #7

If some rights are less equal than others, then they are not rights Shamash Jun 2015 #8

Good day madokie Jun 2015 #9

Translation: I am unable to rebut your statement and am leaving to avoid further embarrassment. n/t Shamash Jun 2015 #12

An angry person without a gun is just an angry person. DamnYankeeInHouston Jun 2015 #19

^ n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #21

Hmm. linuxman Jun 2015 #30

You aren't every gun owner. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #37

No, I'm just part of this homogeneous group that shares blame for any gun crime. linuxman Jun 2015 #38

When you enable the gun owners who can not handle weapons responsibly jeff47 Jun 2015 #39

How am I enabling anyone? I don't buy into shared culpability/group guilt. linuxman Jun 2015 #40

Well, are you working to block any efforts to identify people who can not properly handle guns? jeff47 Jun 2015 #41

What identifies those people? Can you name some things? linuxman Jun 2015 #47

It's difficult to kill as efficiently with a knife mythology Jun 2015 #54

Of course we do. But expect the gun nuts to be out in force the next few days... 99Forever Jun 2015 #13

Yup done happened madokie Jun 2015 #14

Let me get this straight Shamash Jun 2015 #18

Save it for the gun bullies. 99Forever Jun 2015 #22

Full of fauxtrage this morning, aren't we? Shamash Jun 2015 #25

Argument? 99Forever Jun 2015 #26

That would be an admission you have no argument, then? Thank you for confirming it. Shamash Jun 2015 #32

"The blood is on all of their hands..." Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #35

#35: Read it carefully. nt Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #46

Nope, I have no interest in gun bully propaganda. 99Forever Jun 2015 #53

Let me run that through Google Translate... Shamash Jun 2015 #58

Your expression "gun bully" is revealing... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #67

I calls em like I sees em. 99Forever Jun 2015 #70

Neither do I. Let me know if you see one post in DU. Thanks. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #74

The gun haters are already out in force exploiting tragedy friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #78

Good. May their words keep you awake indefinately. 99Forever Jun 2015 #79

Why would the words of the politically ineffectual keep me awake? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #85

They should. 99Forever Jun 2015 #87

"There are only two sides to this, good and evil. I have zero doubt on which side I am on" friendly_iconoclast Jun 2015 #88

Seems pretty clear which side you stand on. 99Forever Jun 2015 #92

You're wrong, the gun laws about who can PURCHASE a firearm haven't changed much Lurks Often Jun 2015 #16

How many times have you had to deal former9thward Jun 2015 #60

Yeah this study isn't biases or anything. romanic Jun 2015 #10

A study that only counts killing the attacker as a DGU is laughably biased. Criminals are also Nuclear Unicorn Jun 2015 #11

Did you even bother to read the study? SecularMotion Jun 2015 #15

The same place where the stats are for criminal woundings, criminal holdings and criminal chasing? Thor_MN Jun 2015 #17

I like Secular Motion and Thor's replies to your remark. BlancheSplanchnik Jun 2015 #23

Well spotted.nt LittleBlue Jun 2015 #81

"Study, schmudy. If it doesn't validate my biases, the study is flawed." ~ Idiots LanternWaste Jun 2015 #24

I wonder what you would say about studies that show the opposite? former9thward Jun 2015 #62

I like how it only counts if the gun owner kills someone is self defense. linuxman Jun 2015 #28

Actually, the study addresses (albeit not well) those defensive usages. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #36

K&R! stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #29

And 32 times of homicide versus 1 time of self-defense Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #31

Please be aware that among African Americans, attitudes toward gun ownership are changing... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #48

I'm aware of the trends Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #93

Exacerbation is possible, but arming for self-defense is not a systemic social movement.... Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #94

I agree. Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #33

The CDC disagrees. Repitition makes for Narrative™, but not accuracy and truth. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #50

I believe tbere are about Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #52

The CDC says at a minimum, guns are used in SD about 300,000X a year, some say over 2 millionx. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #69

I stand by my assertion that it is unlikely Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #73

I agree. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #75

Ban all guns! n/t PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #34

IBTL ...This belongs in the gungeon. L0oniX Jun 2015 #42

It has been alerted, but you know how that goes. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #51

The whole "self-defense" meme is pretty much a myth. DanTex Jun 2015 #43

Can we count on your support? Shamash Jun 2015 #45

This has been examined at length in the peer reviewed literature. DanTex Jun 2015 #49

A not-very-deft dodging of the question Shamash Jun 2015 #56

You are the one who is dodging. DanTex Jun 2015 #57

What planet are you posting this from? Shamash Jun 2015 #59

I'm posting from outside the NRA bubble. That's why it feels so foreign to you. DanTex Jun 2015 #61

Since you insist Shamash Jun 2015 #63

Thank you. Exactly as I said. Although the NRA would be proud of your selected excerpting. DanTex Jun 2015 #64

So, is the CDC report myth or not? Shamash Jun 2015 #66

The CDC report includes a three paragraph summary of the DGU literature. DanTex Jun 2015 #68

They needed a study for this? Initech Jun 2015 #44

unfortunately the country is the Gungeon . olddots Jun 2015 #65

I disagree, but that is a good turn of phrase. Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #71

Give it up. With 3D printers making guns, they are unregulatable. TampaAnimusVortex Jun 2015 #72

The trouble with studies HassleCat Jun 2015 #76

I agree Shamash Jun 2015 #77

Cannot one defend themselves without killing another? X_Digger Jun 2015 #91